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> need to stop extraditions to US of A stat Extradition from EU to US is never allowed if in the US the people extradited risk the death penalty. There are di

> need to stop extraditions to US of A stat Extradition from EU to US is never allowed if in the US the people extradited risk the death penalty. There are discussions going about abolishing it entirely for states that support death penalty, regardless of the single case implications.

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
I suppose that's not very consoling when you're staring at 30, 60 or more than 100 years in prison. The US should not have power to extradite EU citizens for the same reasons we also don't extradite people to Belarus or China. It's a one sided deal as was illustrated in the case of recent killing of a UK teen by an US diplomat: Extradition of U.S. Diplomat’s Wife Sought in U.K. Teen’s Death https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-11/extradition-of-u-s-diplomat-s-wife-sought-in-u-k-teen-s-death https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-11/extraditi... also the way US treats its prison population and allows torture (enhanced interrogation) doesn't make it better than any other banana republic. It's in no way better than China. it just has more effective propaganda.
- gamblor956 6y ago
  The US does extradite to China... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-crime/china-hails-first-fugitive-extradition-from-u-s-under-trump-idUSKBN18S4L6 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-crime/china-hai... And the diplomat case is not proof of a one-sided extradition treaty; it's entirely separate from the issue of extradition. The diplomat's wife had diplomatic immunity, and therefore would have been immune to prosecution whether or not she remained in the UK. The UK had to change its laws to make criminal prosecution of her possible. Under US law, you cannot retroactively place someone under threat of criminal prosecution, so even though diplomatic immunity has been modified since then (and if the hit-and-run occurred today, she would be subject to criminal prosecution in the UK), the US probably could not legally extradite her.
  - jjgreen 6y ago
    The diplomat was not a diplomat, he was a American intelligence officer based at RAF Croughton. The letter of agreement between the Foreign Office and the US ambassador to Britain in August 1995 about the American personnel at RAF Croughton says explicitly that diplomatic immunity for people like Mr Sacoolas would not apply for "acts performed outside the course of their duties". The US has acted dishonourably in this case.
    - gamblor956 6y ago
      No, the US acted within the parameters of the 1995 agreement. The agreement provided traditional diplomatic immunity[1] to personnel stationed at the base and their families but only waived criminal immunity for personnel for acts outside of the course of their duties. This waiver didn't extend to their families, because not being personnel, all of their acts would be outside the course of their duties and it would render their immunity meaningless. This year, they changed that immunity so it no longer applies to family members, meaning they no longer have immunity. It was not made retroactive because the US would not agree to that (ex post facto criminalization is allowed in the UK). [1] Diplomats usually refer to this type of immunity as "special immunity" because it is not related to the performance of diplomatic functions.
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  I share your sentiment about US disrespect of basic human rights when it's about law enforcement and incarceration, but treaties are treaties and many EU countries still suffer from decades of past diplomatic relationships based on balance of powers set 70 or more years ago I'm from Italy, US cultural and military "colonization" (for lack of a better word) has been quite bad here
iso1631 6y ago
The UK isn't in the EU
- DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
  correct but depending on which EU country he might not even be in EU but already extradited by now. (can you picture him in Poland, Spain or Sweden? they'd have him handed over long ago)
  - iso1631 6y ago
    No, I can't I've never understood this theory that it will be easier for the US to extradite him from Sweden, especially as they would be unable to extradite him to the US for anything without agreement from both Sweden and the UK. He lost all support from me when he refused to go to Sweden.
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  I know I think Assange move to relocate himself to UK was very unfortunate for him He didn't consider Brexit was going to happen

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago

I suppose that's not very consoling when you're staring at 30, 60 or more than 100 years in prison. The US should not have power to extradite EU citizens for the same reasons we also don't extradite people to Belarus or China. It's a one sided deal as was illustrated in the case of recent killing of a UK teen by an US diplomat: Extradition of U.S. Diplomat’s Wife Sought in U.K. Teen’s Death https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-11/extradition-of-u-s-diplomat-s-wife-sought-in-u-k-teen-s-death https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-11/extraditi... also the way US treats its prison population and allows torture (enhanced interrogation) doesn't make it better than any other banana republic. It's in no way better than China. it just has more effective propaganda.

gamblor956 6y ago
The US does extradite to China... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-crime/china-hails-first-fugitive-extradition-from-u-s-under-trump-idUSKBN18S4L6 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-crime/china-hai... And the diplomat case is not proof of a one-sided extradition treaty; it's entirely separate from the issue of extradition. The diplomat's wife had diplomatic immunity, and therefore would have been immune to prosecution whether or not she remained in the UK. The UK had to change its laws to make criminal prosecution of her possible. Under US law, you cannot retroactively place someone under threat of criminal prosecution, so even though diplomatic immunity has been modified since then (and if the hit-and-run occurred today, she would be subject to criminal prosecution in the UK), the US probably could not legally extradite her.
- jjgreen 6y ago
  The diplomat was not a diplomat, he was a American intelligence officer based at RAF Croughton. The letter of agreement between the Foreign Office and the US ambassador to Britain in August 1995 about the American personnel at RAF Croughton says explicitly that diplomatic immunity for people like Mr Sacoolas would not apply for "acts performed outside the course of their duties". The US has acted dishonourably in this case.
  - gamblor956 6y ago
    No, the US acted within the parameters of the 1995 agreement. The agreement provided traditional diplomatic immunity[1] to personnel stationed at the base and their families but only waived criminal immunity for personnel for acts outside of the course of their duties. This waiver didn't extend to their families, because not being personnel, all of their acts would be outside the course of their duties and it would render their immunity meaningless. This year, they changed that immunity so it no longer applies to family members, meaning they no longer have immunity. It was not made retroactive because the US would not agree to that (ex post facto criminalization is allowed in the UK). [1] Diplomats usually refer to this type of immunity as "special immunity" because it is not related to the performance of diplomatic functions.
romanoderoma 6y ago
I share your sentiment about US disrespect of basic human rights when it's about law enforcement and incarceration, but treaties are treaties and many EU countries still suffer from decades of past diplomatic relationships based on balance of powers set 70 or more years ago I'm from Italy, US cultural and military "colonization" (for lack of a better word) has been quite bad here

iso1631 6y ago

The UK isn't in the EU

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
correct but depending on which EU country he might not even be in EU but already extradited by now. (can you picture him in Poland, Spain or Sweden? they'd have him handed over long ago)
- iso1631 6y ago
  No, I can't I've never understood this theory that it will be easier for the US to extradite him from Sweden, especially as they would be unable to extradite him to the US for anything without agreement from both Sweden and the UK. He lost all support from me when he refused to go to Sweden.
romanoderoma 6y ago
I know I think Assange move to relocate himself to UK was very unfortunate for him He didn't consider Brexit was going to happen