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How does it compare to U.K. rules or Australia & NZ?

by animationwill 6y ago

cguess 6y ago
Should that matter? The US holds itself up as better than other countries, as the best. We should be the example.
- geebee 6y ago
  I think it should matter, as a point of discussion. I don't think it should be definitive. I certainly don't think the goal of US immigration policy (or student visa policy) should be to exceed a dismal policy somewhere else by a feather. I may also disagree that the US universally holds itself up as better than other countries. In many widespread institutions (mainstream media, academia, Hollywood), I'd say the widespread, majority opinion is that the US is notably worse in many regards than many other European countries or Canada (I may in fact agree on some points, though maybe not as broadly). Within that context, I do think it's reasonable to note that according to a poster above, Finland (a country widely lauded in the US for its education system) subjects foreign graduate students to a stressful yearly renewal process for a student visa. Or that Canada, a country often used as a stand-in for a better, more progressive US, has a points system that rewards youth, fluency in one of two Western European languages, and high levels of education. Should conditions in widely admired countries matter? Sure. This shouldn't be a conversation ender. But yes, it is absolutely relevant to the discussion.
- refurb 6y ago
  Of course it matters. The UK and Australia are perceived as countries with fair immigration systems. Why would the US be held to a different standard than other Western countries?
  - addicted 6y ago
    Because the US has benefited greatly from the current system of highly educated immigration? To the point that those countries are trying to achieve what the US has. I mean, why would you want to set your standard as “what the other guys are doing” when your current system is the most successful in the world?
    - refurb 6y ago
      Are you arguing those other countries haven’t benefited from highly skilled immigration? I’m from one of those countries and higher education is filled with skilled immigrants. And the US’ success in attracting highly skilled immigrants isn’t only due to the immigration system itself. In fact. In many cases it’s in spite of it.
- foogazi 6y ago
  I don’t think it’s about holding yourself up as better Ther must be an objective goal beyond being “nice” One goal is reciprocity - you want your citizens to have the benefit to study abroad therefore you reciprocate to foreign students Another aspect is getting access to the best talent on the planet, then getting them to stay and advance technology in your country There needs to be a balance where admitting foreign students does not displace local students. Maybe cap the number of foreign students or use their tuition money to increase seats for local students?
foogazi 6y ago
How is this relevant to the discussion here? Is this action targeting students from those countries? Is anyone claiming that the UK, Australia or NZ are abusing US student visas?

How does it compare to U.K. rules or Australia & NZ?

cguess 6y ago

Should that matter? The US holds itself up as better than other countries, as the best. We should be the example.

geebee 6y ago
I think it should matter, as a point of discussion. I don't think it should be definitive. I certainly don't think the goal of US immigration policy (or student visa policy) should be to exceed a dismal policy somewhere else by a feather. I may also disagree that the US universally holds itself up as better than other countries. In many widespread institutions (mainstream media, academia, Hollywood), I'd say the widespread, majority opinion is that the US is notably worse in many regards than many other European countries or Canada (I may in fact agree on some points, though maybe not as broadly). Within that context, I do think it's reasonable to note that according to a poster above, Finland (a country widely lauded in the US for its education system) subjects foreign graduate students to a stressful yearly renewal process for a student visa. Or that Canada, a country often used as a stand-in for a better, more progressive US, has a points system that rewards youth, fluency in one of two Western European languages, and high levels of education. Should conditions in widely admired countries matter? Sure. This shouldn't be a conversation ender. But yes, it is absolutely relevant to the discussion.
refurb 6y ago
Of course it matters. The UK and Australia are perceived as countries with fair immigration systems. Why would the US be held to a different standard than other Western countries?
- addicted 6y ago
  Because the US has benefited greatly from the current system of highly educated immigration? To the point that those countries are trying to achieve what the US has. I mean, why would you want to set your standard as “what the other guys are doing” when your current system is the most successful in the world?
  - refurb 6y ago
    Are you arguing those other countries haven’t benefited from highly skilled immigration? I’m from one of those countries and higher education is filled with skilled immigrants. And the US’ success in attracting highly skilled immigrants isn’t only due to the immigration system itself. In fact. In many cases it’s in spite of it.
foogazi 6y ago
I don’t think it’s about holding yourself up as better Ther must be an objective goal beyond being “nice” One goal is reciprocity - you want your citizens to have the benefit to study abroad therefore you reciprocate to foreign students Another aspect is getting access to the best talent on the planet, then getting them to stay and advance technology in your country There needs to be a balance where admitting foreign students does not displace local students. Maybe cap the number of foreign students or use their tuition money to increase seats for local students?

foogazi 6y ago

How is this relevant to the discussion here? Is this action targeting students from those countries? Is anyone claiming that the UK, Australia or NZ are abusing US student visas?