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Given the evidence that the actual truth is that there is a significant danger posed by the virus (see 200k dead Americans), a more logical conclusion here is n

Given the evidence that the actual truth is that there is a significant danger posed by the virus (see 200k dead Americans), a more logical conclusion here is not overstating the risk of the virus, but understating the risk of BLM protests.

ReptileMan 6y ago
Can you prove that all of those 200000 will be alive today? You can expect 3 million and a change funerals each year with a population like us.
- Loughla 6y ago
  Wait. Is your argument that 200k people dying specifically from this virus isn't a big deal, because people die from other things, too? How and why did you form that belief? That just doesn't make sense.
  - insickness 6y ago
    A large percentage of those people would have died within the next year anyway. Covid Survival Rate: 0-19 years - 99.997% 20-49 years - 99.98% 50-69 years - 99.5% 70+ years - 94.6%
    - klyrs 6y ago
      Your mom will die soon. You have a choice between now, and a year from now. What do you prefer?
      - insickness 6y ago
        A year from now.
    - Loughla 6y ago
      So, again, your particular argument is - we shouldn't try to do anything about covid, because people already die from things? What a complete nonsense argument. What is different about covid that means we shouldn't try to treat it? We treat cancer, and genetic diseases, and the flu. We actively try to avoid death for a million other reasons. Why should we just throw our hands up with this one and act like it's not there?
      - insickness 6y ago
        That's a straw man. I never said to do nothing. But at the same time, don't overreact. You don't think it's possible to overreact to this? Why don't you 'do something' about car crash victims every year? Are you okay with all of them dying from something that is preventable? You're just going to throw your hands in the air? Of course not. Have them wear seat belts. Invent things to reduce deaths, like airbags. But it is possible to go too far, like closing every street in the country.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  Obviously, you can't prove anything about what would have occurred in counterfactual circumstances in any strong sense, but you can get a pretty good idea from looking at excess deaths. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
jokethrowaway 6y ago
It's hard to count dead Americans, there was a financial (and political) incentive in over-counting deaths and we probably conflated some deaths from different causes and we didn't know how to treat them in the hospital. IMHO the greatest factor is using steroids and non invasive methods instead of ventilators. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/06/why-is-it-that-while-covid-19-cases-are-rising-deaths-continue-to-fall https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/06/why-is-it-that... Recent studies point (some say 3 times the number of infected, others 6-24 times) in the direction that we severely undercounted the infected because of its asymptomatic nature in healthy individuals. Which means the death rate is nothing to cry about.

ReptileMan 6y ago

Can you prove that all of those 200000 will be alive today? You can expect 3 million and a change funerals each year with a population like us.

Loughla 6y ago
Wait. Is your argument that 200k people dying specifically from this virus isn't a big deal, because people die from other things, too? How and why did you form that belief? That just doesn't make sense.
- insickness 6y ago
  A large percentage of those people would have died within the next year anyway. Covid Survival Rate: 0-19 years - 99.997% 20-49 years - 99.98% 50-69 years - 99.5% 70+ years - 94.6%
  - klyrs 6y ago
    Your mom will die soon. You have a choice between now, and a year from now. What do you prefer?
    - insickness 6y ago
      A year from now.
  - Loughla 6y ago
    So, again, your particular argument is - we shouldn't try to do anything about covid, because people already die from things? What a complete nonsense argument. What is different about covid that means we shouldn't try to treat it? We treat cancer, and genetic diseases, and the flu. We actively try to avoid death for a million other reasons. Why should we just throw our hands up with this one and act like it's not there?
    - insickness 6y ago
      That's a straw man. I never said to do nothing. But at the same time, don't overreact. You don't think it's possible to overreact to this? Why don't you 'do something' about car crash victims every year? Are you okay with all of them dying from something that is preventable? You're just going to throw your hands in the air? Of course not. Have them wear seat belts. Invent things to reduce deaths, like airbags. But it is possible to go too far, like closing every street in the country.
dragonwriter 6y ago
Obviously, you can't prove anything about what would have occurred in counterfactual circumstances in any strong sense, but you can get a pretty good idea from looking at excess deaths. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

jokethrowaway 6y ago

It's hard to count dead Americans, there was a financial (and political) incentive in over-counting deaths and we probably conflated some deaths from different causes and we didn't know how to treat them in the hospital. IMHO the greatest factor is using steroids and non invasive methods instead of ventilators. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/06/why-is-it-that-while-covid-19-cases-are-rising-deaths-continue-to-fall https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/06/why-is-it-that... Recent studies point (some say 3 times the number of infected, others 6-24 times) in the direction that we severely undercounted the infected because of its asymptomatic nature in healthy individuals. Which means the death rate is nothing to cry about.