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What, and let the Russian authoritarian regime to keep going to legitimize itself with its rigged voting system? To stop sponsoring the pro-democracy activists

What, and let the Russian authoritarian regime to keep going to legitimize itself with its rigged voting system? To stop sponsoring the pro-democracy activists in Russia? No, it's the Russians who should simply cease their meddling with the elections in the US, stop promoting the hatred, confusion, and intolerance in the US public, that's for the first step. Then the Kremlin should actually allow the pro-democratic forces in the Russia to come to power, form the government that would be dedicated to democracy and liberty and protection of the human rights, and reform the stagnating economics, and cease foreign military escapades (and return the annexed territories to their rightful owners: Crimea, Donbass, South Abkhazia, Kuril islands, Königsberg, Karelia, the list goes on and on), that's for the second step. Only after that it would even start to make sense to demand from the US to "not meddle" in Russian elections. Until all that happens, demanding from the US to stop its support for democracy and human rights in on of the most illiberal modern authoritarian regimes is simply disgusting and cannot be met with anything more than scornful refusal.

ETHisso2017 6y ago
Russia has nukes. Russia is not going to knuckle under
vbezhenar 6y ago
It's nice to see how some western people want to tear apart Russia. Makes me believe that Putin is not that bad, at least he wants Russia to be a strong independent country, even if his methods sometimes are questionable. No, you won't tear apart Russia as long as nuclear weapons are ready to launch.
- dangus 6y ago
  If he’s “not that bad” why is he dictator for life? His methods are always questionable! E.g. poisoning opposition leaders. (And by the way, the need or ability or justification to criticize Russia’s adversaries doesn’t excuse Russia from criticism: i.e. I’m aware that the western world does unfair things, but Russia is a pure dictatorship)
  - vbezhenar 6y ago
    > If he’s “not that bad” why is he dictator for life? He's not dictator. Russian people voted for him. Just like american people voted for Trump. You might like it or not, you may call them brainwashed, but that's their choice. > His methods are always questionable! E.g. poisoning opposition leaders. Nobody in Russia believes to those fiction stories. If they were poisoned by Novichok, they would be dead. I would more believe to NSA poisoning Navalny to paint him as a victim. He's absolutely unpopular in Russia at this moment. There's 0 reason to poison him and 0 reason to let transport him out of the country. Just turn on your logic. This story is absolutely made up by western secret service and propaganda, it's so stupid, I don't know who can believe in it. > Russia is a pure dictatorship Again, Russia is not pure dictatorship. Putin clears political landscape, so he can win the elections. That's obvious. It does not make him dictator in my eyes. And it's all words, anyway. I'd prefer dictator who cares about his country, rather than "democratically elected" puppet who'll sell his country to his masters. He's old anyway, so someone will replace him, one way or another. And many people will remember him fondly, just like many people fondly remember Stalin despite all propaganda against USSR.
    - lostmsu 6y ago
      No they did not. The elections are rigged, opposition jailed or even killed. Have you ever talked to independent election observers in Russia?
      - Joker_vD 6y ago
        Well, one of my university buddies happened to be an observer in the 2012 presidential elections (he went as the observer from the Communist Party, although he himself was supporter for Prokhorov, ironically enough). Well, he claimed he did his duties with utter dilligence, never leaving the voting station, and that he saw a) absolutely zero fraud attempts; b) 70% of valid bulletins had votes for Putin. And when he later checked in the GAS "Vybory" whether the protocol he signed was meddled with in the system, no, it was there with the counted numbers just as it was signed. He was rather upset with Prokhorov's loss but admitted that that guy wasn't actually popular.
levosmetalo 6y ago
> What, and let the USA authoritarian regime to keep going to legitimize itself with its rigged voting system? To stop sponsoring the pro-democracy activists in USA? No, it's the USA who should simply cease their meddling with the elections in the Russia and the rest of the world, stop promoting the hatred, confusion, and intolerance in the rest of the worlds public, that's for the first step. Then the White house should actually allow the pro-democratic forces in the rest of the world to come to power, form the government that would be dedicated to democracy and liberty and protection of the human rights, and reform the stagnating economics, and cease foreign military escapades (and return the annexed territories to their rightful owners: Louisiana, California, Manhattan, Guantanamo, Puerto Rico, military base all around the world, the list goes on and on), that's for the second step. Only after that it would even start to make sense to demand from the Russia and the rest of the world to "not meddle" in USA elections. Until all that happens, demanding from the Russia to stop its support for democracy and human rights in on of the most illiberal modern authoritarian regimes is simply disgusting and cannot be met with anything more than scornful refusal. FTFY
- dangus 6y ago
  More “both sides are the same” nonsense. Last I checked, Bernie Sanders wasn’t poisoned. Last I checked, there was no constitutional amendment to allow Trump to stay in power until 2036.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    It doesn't matter that Sanders wasn't poisoned, if it is true that the mechanisms of power made it impossible for him to win no matter the popular support his ideas had. The result is the same. As for a constitutional amendment to keep Trump in office, it doesn't matter who is in office if a party with the same policies keeps seizing power without the popular vote. It is just as undemocratic.
    - cuillevel3 6y ago
      I have to disagree here. Not poisoning political opponents is a major democratic achievement.
sudosysgen 6y ago
Whenever the US returns its annexed territories of California, Texas, Vermont, Hawaii (as well as the entirety of the Western US), you'll have a leg to stand on to ask for Russia to return annexed territories. Otherwise, I'm afraid that's some very strong hypocrisy. As for democracy, if you wanted democracy in Russia it would have been good not to have a US-backed coup in Russia to prevent democracy and secure the power of Yeltsin. Or are dictators also fine as long as they do your bidding? Stop fantasizing about ruining yet another nation. If democracy comes to Russia, it won't be by the hands of the US, it will be from the Russian people themselves. Meanwhile, if you want to help, keep your meddling hands out of there.
- thrwway34 6y ago
  Yes, US cannot be allowed to ruin another country, after what they did to Japan and South Korea.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    How does that compare to Iraq, Libya, Vietnam, Afghanistan, half of South America, Syria, Laos? Otherwise, I get your point. We should all lick American boots and hope they will be nice to us.
    - thrwway34 6y ago
      What's wrong with Vietnam or Laos? And regarding Afghanistan, Libya and Syria - you can thank Russia for the involvement, which continues in latter's even nowadays.
newen 6y ago
Really can't tell if you're being ironic or not.
- aszen 6y ago
  username should give u some hints

ETHisso2017 6y ago

Russia has nukes. Russia is not going to knuckle under

vbezhenar 6y ago

It's nice to see how some western people want to tear apart Russia. Makes me believe that Putin is not that bad, at least he wants Russia to be a strong independent country, even if his methods sometimes are questionable. No, you won't tear apart Russia as long as nuclear weapons are ready to launch.

dangus 6y ago
If he’s “not that bad” why is he dictator for life? His methods are always questionable! E.g. poisoning opposition leaders. (And by the way, the need or ability or justification to criticize Russia’s adversaries doesn’t excuse Russia from criticism: i.e. I’m aware that the western world does unfair things, but Russia is a pure dictatorship)
- vbezhenar 6y ago
  > If he’s “not that bad” why is he dictator for life? He's not dictator. Russian people voted for him. Just like american people voted for Trump. You might like it or not, you may call them brainwashed, but that's their choice. > His methods are always questionable! E.g. poisoning opposition leaders. Nobody in Russia believes to those fiction stories. If they were poisoned by Novichok, they would be dead. I would more believe to NSA poisoning Navalny to paint him as a victim. He's absolutely unpopular in Russia at this moment. There's 0 reason to poison him and 0 reason to let transport him out of the country. Just turn on your logic. This story is absolutely made up by western secret service and propaganda, it's so stupid, I don't know who can believe in it. > Russia is a pure dictatorship Again, Russia is not pure dictatorship. Putin clears political landscape, so he can win the elections. That's obvious. It does not make him dictator in my eyes. And it's all words, anyway. I'd prefer dictator who cares about his country, rather than "democratically elected" puppet who'll sell his country to his masters. He's old anyway, so someone will replace him, one way or another. And many people will remember him fondly, just like many people fondly remember Stalin despite all propaganda against USSR.
  - lostmsu 6y ago
    No they did not. The elections are rigged, opposition jailed or even killed. Have you ever talked to independent election observers in Russia?
    - Joker_vD 6y ago
      Well, one of my university buddies happened to be an observer in the 2012 presidential elections (he went as the observer from the Communist Party, although he himself was supporter for Prokhorov, ironically enough). Well, he claimed he did his duties with utter dilligence, never leaving the voting station, and that he saw a) absolutely zero fraud attempts; b) 70% of valid bulletins had votes for Putin. And when he later checked in the GAS "Vybory" whether the protocol he signed was meddled with in the system, no, it was there with the counted numbers just as it was signed. He was rather upset with Prokhorov's loss but admitted that that guy wasn't actually popular.

levosmetalo 6y ago

> What, and let the USA authoritarian regime to keep going to legitimize itself with its rigged voting system? To stop sponsoring the pro-democracy activists in USA? No, it's the USA who should simply cease their meddling with the elections in the Russia and the rest of the world, stop promoting the hatred, confusion, and intolerance in the rest of the worlds public, that's for the first step. Then the White house should actually allow the pro-democratic forces in the rest of the world to come to power, form the government that would be dedicated to democracy and liberty and protection of the human rights, and reform the stagnating economics, and cease foreign military escapades (and return the annexed territories to their rightful owners: Louisiana, California, Manhattan, Guantanamo, Puerto Rico, military base all around the world, the list goes on and on), that's for the second step. Only after that it would even start to make sense to demand from the Russia and the rest of the world to "not meddle" in USA elections. Until all that happens, demanding from the Russia to stop its support for democracy and human rights in on of the most illiberal modern authoritarian regimes is simply disgusting and cannot be met with anything more than scornful refusal. FTFY

dangus 6y ago
More “both sides are the same” nonsense. Last I checked, Bernie Sanders wasn’t poisoned. Last I checked, there was no constitutional amendment to allow Trump to stay in power until 2036.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  It doesn't matter that Sanders wasn't poisoned, if it is true that the mechanisms of power made it impossible for him to win no matter the popular support his ideas had. The result is the same. As for a constitutional amendment to keep Trump in office, it doesn't matter who is in office if a party with the same policies keeps seizing power without the popular vote. It is just as undemocratic.
  - cuillevel3 6y ago
    I have to disagree here. Not poisoning political opponents is a major democratic achievement.

sudosysgen 6y ago

Whenever the US returns its annexed territories of California, Texas, Vermont, Hawaii (as well as the entirety of the Western US), you'll have a leg to stand on to ask for Russia to return annexed territories. Otherwise, I'm afraid that's some very strong hypocrisy. As for democracy, if you wanted democracy in Russia it would have been good not to have a US-backed coup in Russia to prevent democracy and secure the power of Yeltsin. Or are dictators also fine as long as they do your bidding? Stop fantasizing about ruining yet another nation. If democracy comes to Russia, it won't be by the hands of the US, it will be from the Russian people themselves. Meanwhile, if you want to help, keep your meddling hands out of there.

thrwway34 6y ago
Yes, US cannot be allowed to ruin another country, after what they did to Japan and South Korea.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  How does that compare to Iraq, Libya, Vietnam, Afghanistan, half of South America, Syria, Laos? Otherwise, I get your point. We should all lick American boots and hope they will be nice to us.
  - thrwway34 6y ago
    What's wrong with Vietnam or Laos? And regarding Afghanistan, Libya and Syria - you can thank Russia for the involvement, which continues in latter's even nowadays.

newen 6y ago

Really can't tell if you're being ironic or not.

aszen 6y ago
username should give u some hints