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Are you saying that Labour controls print media and the BBC in the UK?

easytiger 6y ago
> Are you saying that Labour controls print media and the BBC in the UK? No, how did you arrive at that invalid summation?
- pmachinery 6y ago
  Possibly because: "The unelected Labour opposition proposed activist shills" is difficult to understand.
  - easytiger 6y ago
    How so? It seems unambiguously straightforward to me on reflection.
    - pmachinery 6y ago
      For one thing, as other people are trying to explain, opposition parties are not "unelected". It's also unclear, to me at least, what you mean by "proposed" and by "shills" and who these people are, specifically, who you claim control the BBC and print media, since despite specifically referring to "Labour" you said you don't mean it's Labour.
      - easytiger 6y ago
        > opposition parties are not "unelected". unelected to government. > , who you claim control the BBC and print media, since despite specifically referring to "Labour" you said you don't mean it's Labour. I didn't use a present tense. Corbyn et al had a proposal to take control of editorial departments of major newspapers and tv media to set the agenda. Your difficulty in reading comprehension is hardly relevant to the point
        iso1631 6y ago
        In the UK we don't elect any members of our government, so that seems a redundant statement.
        easytiger 6y ago
        Government in UK political and legal terminology ostensibly refers to the formation called the cabinet and the prime minister. If you do not win a general election you cannot form a government. Therefore you lose the GE you are not elected to government
        tialaramex 6y ago
        > If you do not win a general election you cannot form a government. On the contrary. All you need to form a government is some way to get a majority for Confidence, and all you'd need to make that a working government is Confidence and Supply. That's all Theresa May had, she did not win the election but she had DUP promises to vote for her on the question of confidence and where necessary for supply, and that was enough to limp on for quite some time.
        easytiger 6y ago
        The last election the second party lost by a landslide, they have no opportunity to form a government.
        iso1631 6y ago
        Of the last 4 Prime Minsters (Johnson, May, Cameron, Brown) of the UK, none of them became prime minister by heading a party who won a majority of seats at an election -- the last person to do that was Tony Blair in 1997. Before then it was Margaret Thatcher in 1979. It's an exception, rather than the rule. Cameron did win a plurarity of seats in 2010, but his 36% of the vote wasn't enough on it's own. It's exceedingly likely the next Prime Minister will equally be appointed without a public vote.
        6y ago
      - JdeBP 6y ago
        Maybe it is supposed to be the more grammatical: > The Labour opposition had proposed that activist shills take control of the editorial policy of ... It's your turn to ask for "evidence please", I believe. (-:

> Are you saying that Labour controls print media and the BBC in the UK? No, how did you arrive at that invalid summation?

pmachinery 6y ago
Possibly because: "The unelected Labour opposition proposed activist shills" is difficult to understand.
- easytiger 6y ago
  How so? It seems unambiguously straightforward to me on reflection.
  - pmachinery 6y ago
    For one thing, as other people are trying to explain, opposition parties are not "unelected". It's also unclear, to me at least, what you mean by "proposed" and by "shills" and who these people are, specifically, who you claim control the BBC and print media, since despite specifically referring to "Labour" you said you don't mean it's Labour.
    - easytiger 6y ago
      > opposition parties are not "unelected". unelected to government. > , who you claim control the BBC and print media, since despite specifically referring to "Labour" you said you don't mean it's Labour. I didn't use a present tense. Corbyn et al had a proposal to take control of editorial departments of major newspapers and tv media to set the agenda. Your difficulty in reading comprehension is hardly relevant to the point
      - iso1631 6y ago
        In the UK we don't elect any members of our government, so that seems a redundant statement.
        easytiger 6y ago
        Government in UK political and legal terminology ostensibly refers to the formation called the cabinet and the prime minister. If you do not win a general election you cannot form a government. Therefore you lose the GE you are not elected to government
        tialaramex 6y ago
        > If you do not win a general election you cannot form a government. On the contrary. All you need to form a government is some way to get a majority for Confidence, and all you'd need to make that a working government is Confidence and Supply. That's all Theresa May had, she did not win the election but she had DUP promises to vote for her on the question of confidence and where necessary for supply, and that was enough to limp on for quite some time.
        easytiger 6y ago
        The last election the second party lost by a landslide, they have no opportunity to form a government.
        iso1631 6y ago
        Of the last 4 Prime Minsters (Johnson, May, Cameron, Brown) of the UK, none of them became prime minister by heading a party who won a majority of seats at an election -- the last person to do that was Tony Blair in 1997. Before then it was Margaret Thatcher in 1979. It's an exception, rather than the rule. Cameron did win a plurarity of seats in 2010, but his 36% of the vote wasn't enough on it's own. It's exceedingly likely the next Prime Minister will equally be appointed without a public vote.
        6y ago
    - JdeBP 6y ago
      Maybe it is supposed to be the more grammatical: > The Labour opposition had proposed that activist shills take control of the editorial policy of ... It's your turn to ask for "evidence please", I believe. (-: