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What's the licensing situation for GraalVM? Do they throw lawyers at you if you are making enough money like with other Oracle products[0]? [0]: Please note th

What's the licensing situation for GraalVM? Do they throw lawyers at you if you are making enough money like with other Oracle products[0]? [0]: Please note that was the impression I got from reading anything Oracle related in HN, not personal experience. I don't otherwise know what I'm talking about. Signed: .NET developer very interested in the new developments in the Java World but heard too many scare stories.

kasperni 6y ago
Like a lot of similar software. GraalVM has a free and open source community edition. And an enterprise version that comes with increased performance and security. The enterprise version is free for evaluation and development. And for production costs around 100-200 USD year/processor. This includes 24/7 support. Community edition runs any program that runs on GraalVM Enterprise.
- suyash 6y ago
  Enterprise version is also free if you deploy it on Oracle Cloud, more info : https://www.graalvm.org/faq/ https://www.graalvm.org/faq/
  - znpy 6y ago
    Nice try salesman, nice try. Remember kis: Oracle has no customers, only hostages.
    - koenigdavidmj 6y ago
      So I work at Oracle, but as an engineer. These are of course my own thoughts and I’m not representing OCI. As far as I know, there’s no difference between any of the clouds as far as basic payment structure. If you don’t want to be locked in on a contract, you just give a credit card and pay the publicly posted rate. Exactly how are you a hostage in that position?
      - NationalPark 6y ago
        Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me tw... can't get fooled again.
      - zdragnar 6y ago
        Portability between clouds assumes that you exclusively use the cloud provider as a sort of VPS host. Any service beyond that becomes a form of lock-in. YMMV, and this is of course true for all clouds.
    - suyash 6y ago
      One of the most non sensical comment that I've seen on HN
      - gnulinux 6y ago
        Oracle is way past the point for that comment to be non-sensical. For any other company it'd be bizarre, but "hostage" doesn't even begin to describe Oracle customers.
MCOfficer 6y ago
Just want to comment on java: Just stay away from Oracle Java and use OpenJDK, which is GPL2'd (with asterisk). If you want stability, stick to LTS versions... I have no idea why people would use Oracle Java for new projects.
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  > Just stay away from Oracle Java and use OpenJDK Is there any difference anymore? I’m not sure there is. > I have no idea why people would use Oracle Java for new projects Expert support, for example.
- kasperni 6y ago
  > I have no idea why people would use Oracle Java for new projects. Maybe because there are businesses out there that care about support?
- deleted 6y ago
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- mgdev 6y ago
  "GraalVM Community editions are based on OpenJDK version 1.8.262 and on OpenJDK version 11.0.8." https://www.graalvm.org/docs/getting-started-with-graalvm/ https://www.graalvm.org/docs/getting-started-with-graalvm/

kasperni 6y ago

Like a lot of similar software. GraalVM has a free and open source community edition. And an enterprise version that comes with increased performance and security. The enterprise version is free for evaluation and development. And for production costs around 100-200 USD year/processor. This includes 24/7 support. Community edition runs any program that runs on GraalVM Enterprise.

suyash 6y ago
Enterprise version is also free if you deploy it on Oracle Cloud, more info : https://www.graalvm.org/faq/ https://www.graalvm.org/faq/
- znpy 6y ago
  Nice try salesman, nice try. Remember kis: Oracle has no customers, only hostages.
  - koenigdavidmj 6y ago
    So I work at Oracle, but as an engineer. These are of course my own thoughts and I’m not representing OCI. As far as I know, there’s no difference between any of the clouds as far as basic payment structure. If you don’t want to be locked in on a contract, you just give a credit card and pay the publicly posted rate. Exactly how are you a hostage in that position?
    - NationalPark 6y ago
      Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me tw... can't get fooled again.
    - zdragnar 6y ago
      Portability between clouds assumes that you exclusively use the cloud provider as a sort of VPS host. Any service beyond that becomes a form of lock-in. YMMV, and this is of course true for all clouds.
  - suyash 6y ago
    One of the most non sensical comment that I've seen on HN
    - gnulinux 6y ago
      Oracle is way past the point for that comment to be non-sensical. For any other company it'd be bizarre, but "hostage" doesn't even begin to describe Oracle customers.

MCOfficer 6y ago

Just want to comment on java: Just stay away from Oracle Java and use OpenJDK, which is GPL2'd (with asterisk). If you want stability, stick to LTS versions... I have no idea why people would use Oracle Java for new projects.

chrisseaton 6y ago
> Just stay away from Oracle Java and use OpenJDK Is there any difference anymore? I’m not sure there is. > I have no idea why people would use Oracle Java for new projects Expert support, for example.
kasperni 6y ago
> I have no idea why people would use Oracle Java for new projects. Maybe because there are businesses out there that care about support?
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mgdev 6y ago
"GraalVM Community editions are based on OpenJDK version 1.8.262 and on OpenJDK version 11.0.8." https://www.graalvm.org/docs/getting-started-with-graalvm/ https://www.graalvm.org/docs/getting-started-with-graalvm/