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> The unelected Labour opposition ???

by ArgyleSound 6y ago

easytiger 6y ago
*failed to win the election, unelected to government
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  They were elected... to be the opposition. They’re the elected opposition. If they were unelected they couldn’t be the opposition.
  - easytiger 6y ago
    They were not elected to government,i.e. the cabinet and office of prime minister
    - chrisseaton 6y ago
      Right... they were elected to be... the opposition. Isn't that what we were saying? You sound like you aren't aware that Leader of the Opposition is actually an official paid position, listed in the Ministers of the Crown Act 1937. You can only get this official position by being a member of parliament (voted in all practical modern cases and in this case), and representing the minority party. So they're in an elected official position, sworn to the Crown, with actual responsibilities and pay, set out in concrete legislation - and that's actually pretty rare in the British constitution!
      - easytiger 6y ago
        And yet, they aren't the government and in no position to implement policy. Do you have a point of any substance to make?
MrsPeaches 6y ago
To give the full quote: > The unelected Labour opposition proposed activist shills took control of the editorial policy of not just the BBC but also print media.
- iso1631 6y ago
  Really trying hard to parse (The unelected Labour opposition) OK, very wrong, but I think that's attempting to describe the elected labour mps in parliament "activist shills" I assume this means people who don't read the daily express So I think I can parse this as Some Labour MPs, at some point, proposed a group of people should take control of the editorial policy of the BBC and newspapers. I'm not sure what story he's talking about though.
  - MrsPeaches 6y ago
    > Some Labour MPs, at some point, proposed a group of people should take control of the editorial policy of the BBC and newspapers. This does indeed seem to be what this person is saying. Thanks for putting in the effort to parse, though I do have to apologise for the fact that it hardly seems to have been worth it!
    - easytiger 6y ago
      So you deny it to be so?
      - MrsPeaches 6y ago
        Do you have any evidence for your claims? Meanwhile in the real world, Charles Moor, former editor of the Telegraph, is mooted to become the chairman of the BBC and Paul Dacre, former editor of the Daily Mail, is to be head of ofcom, the media regulator. Not exactly paragons of impartiality are they?

> The unelected Labour opposition ???

easytiger 6y ago

*failed to win the election, unelected to government

chrisseaton 6y ago
They were elected... to be the opposition. They’re the elected opposition. If they were unelected they couldn’t be the opposition.
- easytiger 6y ago
  They were not elected to government,i.e. the cabinet and office of prime minister
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    Right... they were elected to be... the opposition. Isn't that what we were saying? You sound like you aren't aware that Leader of the Opposition is actually an official paid position, listed in the Ministers of the Crown Act 1937. You can only get this official position by being a member of parliament (voted in all practical modern cases and in this case), and representing the minority party. So they're in an elected official position, sworn to the Crown, with actual responsibilities and pay, set out in concrete legislation - and that's actually pretty rare in the British constitution!
    - easytiger 6y ago
      And yet, they aren't the government and in no position to implement policy. Do you have a point of any substance to make?

MrsPeaches 6y ago

To give the full quote: > The unelected Labour opposition proposed activist shills took control of the editorial policy of not just the BBC but also print media.

iso1631 6y ago
Really trying hard to parse (The unelected Labour opposition) OK, very wrong, but I think that's attempting to describe the elected labour mps in parliament "activist shills" I assume this means people who don't read the daily express So I think I can parse this as Some Labour MPs, at some point, proposed a group of people should take control of the editorial policy of the BBC and newspapers. I'm not sure what story he's talking about though.
- MrsPeaches 6y ago
  > Some Labour MPs, at some point, proposed a group of people should take control of the editorial policy of the BBC and newspapers. This does indeed seem to be what this person is saying. Thanks for putting in the effort to parse, though I do have to apologise for the fact that it hardly seems to have been worth it!
  - easytiger 6y ago
    So you deny it to be so?
    - MrsPeaches 6y ago
      Do you have any evidence for your claims? Meanwhile in the real world, Charles Moor, former editor of the Telegraph, is mooted to become the chairman of the BBC and Paul Dacre, former editor of the Daily Mail, is to be head of ofcom, the media regulator. Not exactly paragons of impartiality are they?