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"They chose that route for a myriad of very significant reasons relating to user experience, usability, privacy, security, safety, brand & reputation, performan

by jariel 6y ago

"They chose that route for a myriad of very significant reasons relating to user experience, usability, privacy, security, safety, brand & reputation, performance, and accountability." This is incredibly naive. They chose it to be this way for the purposes of profit. Android is testament to the fact that high degree of quality and security and consistency can be maintained without any of the most iOS aggressive restrictions. There is no material difference between security on either platform, they're both generally fine, apps are great on Android and people are not falling off the side of the earth because of 'scams or fallouts' regarding Android. The existence and relative quality of the Android universe renders most of the arguments for iOS walled garden moot. The term 'monopoly' may not apply perfect, but it's reasonable in the discussion, the anti-trust issues are obvious and have many historical parallels.

zaroth 6y ago
> This is incredibly naive. Maybe you stopped reading. I also said they did it for financial reasons. To say they did it purely for profit is overly reductionist. But in the sense that they believe the policies they have put in place make their device superior in the market, and make the App Store generate more dollars per user (both for Apple and for Developers), then you could say that profit is always an underlying motive. As it is and as it should be in capitalism. Whether you believe Android is great or not is irrelevant. I personally think you are glossing over some very high profile failings and failures of Android, but it’s totally besides the point. Similarly totally irrelevant whether they could have made different technical and policy choices over the last 12 years which may or may not have obtained the same or similar outcomes. Apple does not owe anyone the right to distribute their Apps on Apple’s own store, no more than any product can demand placement on their own terms in any store. Only if Apple holds a monopoly on smartphones could Apple’s right to enforce their own policies on their own phone be limited. That’s why the term monopoly is important. The existence and relative quality of the Android universe renders disagreements over Apple App Store policy beyond the reach of an anti-trust act.
temp667 6y ago
If andorid is great, then folks will pick android. That's fine and competition. Things are a lot cheaper on android to, so they win on price. The one android phone I ever purchased 1) Shipped with bloatware in the base install (!!!) 2) Shipped with an older android version. 3) The updates never came 4) The messaging story was CRAP (unsecured SMS / spam SMS) Meanwhile I'm getting 4-5 years of updates on every iphone I have ever purchased. I've never gotten spam imessages I don't think. etc. Apple choses these features because they think it will let them charge more for their stuff - which I think it does. Making a product people want by reducing scam behavior shouldn't be illegal, and people wanting your product and being willing to pay extra for it doesn't make you a monopoly. Def makes apple rich though!

by jariel 6y ago

zaroth 6y ago

> This is incredibly naive. Maybe you stopped reading. I also said they did it for financial reasons. To say they did it purely for profit is overly reductionist. But in the sense that they believe the policies they have put in place make their device superior in the market, and make the App Store generate more dollars per user (both for Apple and for Developers), then you could say that profit is always an underlying motive. As it is and as it should be in capitalism. Whether you believe Android is great or not is irrelevant. I personally think you are glossing over some very high profile failings and failures of Android, but it’s totally besides the point. Similarly totally irrelevant whether they could have made different technical and policy choices over the last 12 years which may or may not have obtained the same or similar outcomes. Apple does not owe anyone the right to distribute their Apps on Apple’s own store, no more than any product can demand placement on their own terms in any store. Only if Apple holds a monopoly on smartphones could Apple’s right to enforce their own policies on their own phone be limited. That’s why the term monopoly is important. The existence and relative quality of the Android universe renders disagreements over Apple App Store policy beyond the reach of an anti-trust act.

temp667 6y ago

If andorid is great, then folks will pick android. That's fine and competition. Things are a lot cheaper on android to, so they win on price. The one android phone I ever purchased 1) Shipped with bloatware in the base install (!!!) 2) Shipped with an older android version. 3) The updates never came 4) The messaging story was CRAP (unsecured SMS / spam SMS) Meanwhile I'm getting 4-5 years of updates on every iphone I have ever purchased. I've never gotten spam imessages I don't think. etc. Apple choses these features because they think it will let them charge more for their stuff - which I think it does. Making a product people want by reducing scam behavior shouldn't be illegal, and people wanting your product and being willing to pay extra for it doesn't make you a monopoly. Def makes apple rich though!