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Yep. In the US you generally have no standing to resist a warrant for your data that you handed over to a third party. Don't use cloud based cameras. Products

by nullc 6y ago

Yep. In the US you generally have no standing to resist a warrant for your data that you handed over to a third party. Don't use cloud based cameras. Products like ring could easily be designed so that your data would be protected-- e.g. encrypt on the device, all storage is encrypted.. you give a password to any client to view it that amazon never sees. Yet even though its straightforward to do so this is not available in any commercial product that I'm aware of. I don't think that's an accident: These products exists to spread monitoring, -- mostly for marketing purposes, the fact that they can be abused by authorities for dragnet surveillance without (adequate) due process is just a "bonus".

heavyset_go 6y ago
> mostly for marketing purposes, the fact that they can be abused by authorities for dragnet surveillance without (adequate) due process is just a "bonus". It's not just a bonus, it's a selling point. Not for normal consumers, but for law enforcement, and Amazon would like to keep the police surveillance use case secret[1]. From The Secret Scripts Amazon Gives to Cops to Promote Ring Surveillance Cameras[2]: > Documents obtained by Motherboard reveal that Ring provides 46 standardized comments that cops can post on social media, and several documents with scripted responses to possible questions from the public. [1] https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-ring-wants-police-to-keep-these-surveillance-details-from-you/ https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-ring-wants-police-to-keep-t... [2] https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjwea4/revealed-the-secret-scripts-amazon-give-to-cops-to-promote-ring-surveillance-cameras https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjwea4/revealed-the-secre...
ponker 6y ago
There is a big advantage of cloud based cameras and that is that the data is off premises and can't be just taken away on an SD card. Of course you could send video to your own server but that is beyond the capabilities of most users.
- 01100011 6y ago
  I use 'rclone' and 'motion' to push video and images to my google drive account. If I wanted to, I could easily encrypt it first. I think it's superior to most cloud video providers. I don't think most LE agencies would think to check something like Google Drive for active video feeds. I also delete anything over 3 days(thanks rclone) and use a script which detects the presence of either my wife's or my phone on our LAN so the cameras auto-start when we're not home.
  - ponker 6y ago
    That's cool but accessible to about 0.1% of the population.
    - seattletech 6y ago
      So a standard HN solution then
    - sgerenser 6y ago
      It’s not any harder than using an ftp account with curlftpfs as a Dropbox replacement!
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galaxyLogic 6y ago
Amazon can protect you too. They don't care who they are protecting as long as they get paid, see: https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/amazons-new-dashcam-gadget-allows-drivers-to-record-police-stops/?fbclid=IwAR0WBwQXZ0olVr3iF4mEfIpqivP9y0Rdy_APY-j3yd6UqRtaXOniO3eYFEQ https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/amazons-new-dashcam-gadget-all...

by nullc 6y ago

heavyset_go 6y ago

> mostly for marketing purposes, the fact that they can be abused by authorities for dragnet surveillance without (adequate) due process is just a "bonus". It's not just a bonus, it's a selling point. Not for normal consumers, but for law enforcement, and Amazon would like to keep the police surveillance use case secret[1]. From The Secret Scripts Amazon Gives to Cops to Promote Ring Surveillance Cameras[2]: > Documents obtained by Motherboard reveal that Ring provides 46 standardized comments that cops can post on social media, and several documents with scripted responses to possible questions from the public. [1] https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-ring-wants-police-to-keep-these-surveillance-details-from-you/ https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-ring-wants-police-to-keep-t... [2] https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjwea4/revealed-the-secret-scripts-amazon-give-to-cops-to-promote-ring-surveillance-cameras https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjwea4/revealed-the-secre...

ponker 6y ago

There is a big advantage of cloud based cameras and that is that the data is off premises and can't be just taken away on an SD card. Of course you could send video to your own server but that is beyond the capabilities of most users.

01100011 6y ago
I use 'rclone' and 'motion' to push video and images to my google drive account. If I wanted to, I could easily encrypt it first. I think it's superior to most cloud video providers. I don't think most LE agencies would think to check something like Google Drive for active video feeds. I also delete anything over 3 days(thanks rclone) and use a script which detects the presence of either my wife's or my phone on our LAN so the cameras auto-start when we're not home.
- ponker 6y ago
  That's cool but accessible to about 0.1% of the population.
  - seattletech 6y ago
    So a standard HN solution then
  - sgerenser 6y ago
    It’s not any harder than using an ftp account with curlftpfs as a Dropbox replacement!
- deleted 6y ago
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galaxyLogic 6y ago

Amazon can protect you too. They don't care who they are protecting as long as they get paid, see: https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/amazons-new-dashcam-gadget-allows-drivers-to-record-police-stops/?fbclid=IwAR0WBwQXZ0olVr3iF4mEfIpqivP9y0Rdy_APY-j3yd6UqRtaXOniO3eYFEQ https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/amazons-new-dashcam-gadget-all...