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The Boulder hospitals are full, or strained? Flattening the curve was about keeping the hospitals from being overrun. Putting the strictest measures on the se

The Boulder hospitals are full, or strained? Flattening the curve was about keeping the hospitals from being overrun. Putting the strictest measures on the segment of the population that is least likely to get ill seems questionable (testing positive does not necessarily mean one has symptoms). Granted, spread to more vulnerable populations must be minimized -- but I wonder about the real science behind this policy (if it's about science).

DetroitThrow 6y ago
>The Boulder hospitals are full, or strained? Flattening the curve was about keeping the hospitals from being overrun. Putting the strictest measures on the segment of the population that is least likely to get ill seems questionable (testing positive does not necessarily mean one has symptoms). Granted, spread to more vulnerable populations must be minimized -- but I wonder about the real science behind this policy (if it's about science). Doing some quick Googling about the scientists at the head of US public policy on the subject: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-19-colleges-fauci-urges-schools-keep-students-campus-outbreaks-n1238997 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-19-colleges... The scientists seem to say 1) don't send students home and 2) contain them so they don't cause further outbreaks at universities. So the suggestion of ending youth public gatherings at a university seems in-line with the science.
- Cola 6y ago
  They aren't ending them, though. Just prohibiting them. It seems comically naive to expect that the population that faces virtually zero downside and has the greatest propensity for risky behavior would obey such an order.
  - ls612 6y ago
    If you expel or jail a few to make an example it would probably cow the rest. (In case anyone isn’t certain, I do not support this line of thinking. But since authoritarianism is fashionable nowadays I fully expect it to happen)
    - sigotirandolas 6y ago
      This certainly doesn't seem to work when it comes to drugs.
- mikem170 6y ago
  >So the suggestion of ending youth public gatherings at a university seems in-line with the science I didn't get that out of the article you referred to. The article said that students mingling should be assumed inevitable: "They're going to wander. They're going to visit each other. They're going to go into town. They're going to sneak off and have a party. This is what they do." And that sick students should be grouped together, away from healthy students: "Some colleges have the capability of a dorm or a couple of floors of a dorm where they could keep people who are infected," Sounds reasonable, better than sending them home, given the odds.
  - InTheArena 6y ago
    Cu did that, and exhausted all of the reserved space. They been expanded to Additional space and are mostly exhausted there.
ardy42 6y ago
> Putting the strictest measures on the segment of the population that is least likely to get ill seems questionable It's less questionable when you look at it a different way: this is one of the segments of the population most likely to behave irresponsibly. It's a common observation that people in this age range often unjustifiably act like they're invincible. Those feelings can lead to bad results for others, like in the case of a drunk driver killing someone else in an accident.
- mikem170 6y ago
  >this is one of the segments of the population most likely to behave irresponsibly #1, I don't think it's relevant that you think that segment of the population is irresponsible. We are talking about adults and taking away their freedom. I personally would rather see objective facts, not opinion. >people in this age range often unjustifiably act like they're invincible #2, I think you are wrong about their invincibility in this case. 330 people under 25 died of covid as of August 20 [0] (most with comorbidities), out of a population of 104 million in the U.S. [1], that is 1 out of 346,000 (edit). This is not high on the list of dangers for that age group. You should attempt to justify your imposition on them without smearing them. Young people are not in danger from this disease are being forced as a group to make significant scholastic, social, and economic sacrifices for those who are too afraid to self-isolate on their own. EDIT: Maybe the focus needs to be on vulnerable populations, and not young people? What is the goal here? Are Colorado hospitals overwhelmed? There's no proof that lockdowns otherwise make a difference. [0] https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/new-cdc-report-shows-94-of-covid-19-deaths-in-us-had-underlying-medical-conditions/ https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/new-cdc-report-shows-94-of... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Sta...
  - ardy42 6y ago
    > #2, I think you are wrong about their invincibility in this case. 330 people under 25 died of covid as of August 20 [0] (most with comorbidities), out of a population of 104 million in the U.S. [1], that is 1 out of 346,000 (edit). This is not high on the list of dangers for that age group. And maybe a drunk driver really is invincible because he has a very safe car that will protect him in any accident. Does that mean he should be allowed to drive drunk?

DetroitThrow 6y ago

>The Boulder hospitals are full, or strained? Flattening the curve was about keeping the hospitals from being overrun. Putting the strictest measures on the segment of the population that is least likely to get ill seems questionable (testing positive does not necessarily mean one has symptoms). Granted, spread to more vulnerable populations must be minimized -- but I wonder about the real science behind this policy (if it's about science). Doing some quick Googling about the scientists at the head of US public policy on the subject: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-19-colleges-fauci-urges-schools-keep-students-campus-outbreaks-n1238997 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-19-colleges... The scientists seem to say 1) don't send students home and 2) contain them so they don't cause further outbreaks at universities. So the suggestion of ending youth public gatherings at a university seems in-line with the science.

Cola 6y ago
They aren't ending them, though. Just prohibiting them. It seems comically naive to expect that the population that faces virtually zero downside and has the greatest propensity for risky behavior would obey such an order.
- ls612 6y ago
  If you expel or jail a few to make an example it would probably cow the rest. (In case anyone isn’t certain, I do not support this line of thinking. But since authoritarianism is fashionable nowadays I fully expect it to happen)
  - sigotirandolas 6y ago
    This certainly doesn't seem to work when it comes to drugs.
mikem170 6y ago
>So the suggestion of ending youth public gatherings at a university seems in-line with the science I didn't get that out of the article you referred to. The article said that students mingling should be assumed inevitable: "They're going to wander. They're going to visit each other. They're going to go into town. They're going to sneak off and have a party. This is what they do." And that sick students should be grouped together, away from healthy students: "Some colleges have the capability of a dorm or a couple of floors of a dorm where they could keep people who are infected," Sounds reasonable, better than sending them home, given the odds.
- InTheArena 6y ago
  Cu did that, and exhausted all of the reserved space. They been expanded to Additional space and are mostly exhausted there.

ardy42 6y ago

> Putting the strictest measures on the segment of the population that is least likely to get ill seems questionable It's less questionable when you look at it a different way: this is one of the segments of the population most likely to behave irresponsibly. It's a common observation that people in this age range often unjustifiably act like they're invincible. Those feelings can lead to bad results for others, like in the case of a drunk driver killing someone else in an accident.

mikem170 6y ago
>this is one of the segments of the population most likely to behave irresponsibly #1, I don't think it's relevant that you think that segment of the population is irresponsible. We are talking about adults and taking away their freedom. I personally would rather see objective facts, not opinion. >people in this age range often unjustifiably act like they're invincible #2, I think you are wrong about their invincibility in this case. 330 people under 25 died of covid as of August 20 [0] (most with comorbidities), out of a population of 104 million in the U.S. [1], that is 1 out of 346,000 (edit). This is not high on the list of dangers for that age group. You should attempt to justify your imposition on them without smearing them. Young people are not in danger from this disease are being forced as a group to make significant scholastic, social, and economic sacrifices for those who are too afraid to self-isolate on their own. EDIT: Maybe the focus needs to be on vulnerable populations, and not young people? What is the goal here? Are Colorado hospitals overwhelmed? There's no proof that lockdowns otherwise make a difference. [0] https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/new-cdc-report-shows-94-of-covid-19-deaths-in-us-had-underlying-medical-conditions/ https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/new-cdc-report-shows-94-of... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Sta...
- ardy42 6y ago
  > #2, I think you are wrong about their invincibility in this case. 330 people under 25 died of covid as of August 20 [0] (most with comorbidities), out of a population of 104 million in the U.S. [1], that is 1 out of 346,000 (edit). This is not high on the list of dangers for that age group. And maybe a drunk driver really is invincible because he has a very safe car that will protect him in any accident. Does that mean he should be allowed to drive drunk?