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This particular category of "speculative" history raises red flags with me for another reason - it seems to be a tradition with white supremacists to push theor

This particular category of "speculative" history raises red flags with me for another reason - it seems to be a tradition with white supremacists to push theories that say that "actually europeans were there first", and using said theories to downplay issues that indigenous people have.

liability 6y ago
I don't think white supremacists would have much interest in some yarn about Vikings getting their asses kicked by Mayans.
- jcranmer 6y ago
  But it would be a possible source of inspiration for Aztecs to make white dudes their gods in human form. Nevermind the fact that the Aztecs don't show up for another three centuries--internal consistency of these sorts of speculative theories isn't exactly a high priority, and especially if you can rely on ignorance to make the seams invisible. Or you could just not mention the context of the evidence. It's not like most readers are going to bother following up checking it for themselves to see what it really says.
  - liability 6y ago
    Well if they're just going to make up shit, I'd expect something like "Vikings met the Aztecs and taught them civilization and were then worshipped as gods", not "the Vikings got their asses kicked by Mayans and were never heard from again, except for this one mural where it shows Vikings as prisoners being drowned in the ocean." The article seems highly suspect to me, a few hours ago I noted that it contains inaccurate statements about historical metalworking. That I caught that mistake makes me suspect there are other errors I didn't catch. But to insinuate some white supremacist motive without evidence doesn't make any sense to me.
AmericanChopper 6y ago
You're certainly not the only one who is concerned about this. As an outsider, the fact that I have no idea how many modern political filters any piece of soft-science has to pass through makes me quite skeptical of all of those fields.
fetbaffe 6y ago
Hilarious. Marxist are constantly trying to rewrite history of the Vikings to fit the modern political spectrum of migration & multiculturalism, but now suddenly rewriting history is problem because of "white supremacy", which is of course once again trying to fit history into our modern discourse.

liability 6y ago

I don't think white supremacists would have much interest in some yarn about Vikings getting their asses kicked by Mayans.

jcranmer 6y ago
But it would be a possible source of inspiration for Aztecs to make white dudes their gods in human form. Nevermind the fact that the Aztecs don't show up for another three centuries--internal consistency of these sorts of speculative theories isn't exactly a high priority, and especially if you can rely on ignorance to make the seams invisible. Or you could just not mention the context of the evidence. It's not like most readers are going to bother following up checking it for themselves to see what it really says.
- liability 6y ago
  Well if they're just going to make up shit, I'd expect something like "Vikings met the Aztecs and taught them civilization and were then worshipped as gods", not "the Vikings got their asses kicked by Mayans and were never heard from again, except for this one mural where it shows Vikings as prisoners being drowned in the ocean." The article seems highly suspect to me, a few hours ago I noted that it contains inaccurate statements about historical metalworking. That I caught that mistake makes me suspect there are other errors I didn't catch. But to insinuate some white supremacist motive without evidence doesn't make any sense to me.

AmericanChopper 6y ago

You're certainly not the only one who is concerned about this. As an outsider, the fact that I have no idea how many modern political filters any piece of soft-science has to pass through makes me quite skeptical of all of those fields.

fetbaffe 6y ago

Hilarious. Marxist are constantly trying to rewrite history of the Vikings to fit the modern political spectrum of migration & multiculturalism, but now suddenly rewriting history is problem because of "white supremacy", which is of course once again trying to fit history into our modern discourse.