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The recommender is not there to be useful to you. If it is, that is just a side effect. The recommender is there to make you watch more YouTube. Even if you'

The recommender is not there to be useful to you. If it is, that is just a side effect. The recommender is there to make you watch more YouTube. Even if you've explicitly said you're not interested in something, that doesn't necessarily mean you won't watch it. Believe me, the YouTube recommender has plenty of resources allocated to it, because it's what makes YouTube such a huge business. If YouTube cared about being useful, they wouldn't constantly reenable autoplay after you turn it off. Autoplay turns back on because it makes you watch more YouTube.

sovok_x 6y ago
That doesn't really explain why they re-recommend previously acted-on videos though. You won't watch them anyway so they basically eat screenspace that can be used for some novel videos with ads that you will watch with a higher probability, there is no real lack of those now.
- cameldrv 6y ago
  People re-watch videos. If it's showing up in your recommendations, the recommender thinks you may act on it.
  - sovok_x 6y ago
    And youtube knows exactly what videos they re-watch often enough so it can clearly mind this stuff, plus they will probably use the search if they want to re-watch something specific anyway. It is no reason to re-recommend every one of those including explicitly uninteresting. Or am I missing some research that shown novelty less effective at driving the clicks here?
    - cameldrv 6y ago
      I don't have research to cite about specifically whether novel recommendations get clicked more often. However, YouTube makes $15 billion in revenue. The recommender is responsible for an enormous fraction of that revenue. Google and YouTube have an enormous group of talented ML engineers. I am certain that they have tested changing the proportion of novel recommendations, and whatever proportion they use is the proportion that maximizes engagement. Personally, I hate the YouTube recommender as well. It's particularly aggravating that I'm stuck with it and its lack of configurability even though I pay YouTube to make the ads go away, so they get no additional revenue when I watch more. However, Netflix does many of the same things as YouTube, including autoplay, because they have found that autoplay makes you watch more, and if you watch more, you're more likely to renew your subscription.
      - sovok_x 6y ago
        Making big revenue and having best teams doesn't mean they do everything most efficiently and don't ever go the way of the lowest friction. I am really curious whether someone really tested it and found it unfeasible from a technical or psychological standpoint. The autoplay stuff I clearly understand but the recommendations' - don't.
l0b0 6y ago
I may have rewatched maybe 1% of the videos I've seen, so either I'm way outside their target group, the recommender isn't adapting to my behaviour, or 1% is the best it can do. Also, based on my experience with GDrive support I really don't believe that Google has excellent engineers all over the place. Like virtually all big companies before them, once they get big enough the overhead of keeping the services from regressing takes up all the available energy.

sovok_x 6y ago

That doesn't really explain why they re-recommend previously acted-on videos though. You won't watch them anyway so they basically eat screenspace that can be used for some novel videos with ads that you will watch with a higher probability, there is no real lack of those now.

cameldrv 6y ago
People re-watch videos. If it's showing up in your recommendations, the recommender thinks you may act on it.
- sovok_x 6y ago
  And youtube knows exactly what videos they re-watch often enough so it can clearly mind this stuff, plus they will probably use the search if they want to re-watch something specific anyway. It is no reason to re-recommend every one of those including explicitly uninteresting. Or am I missing some research that shown novelty less effective at driving the clicks here?
  - cameldrv 6y ago
    I don't have research to cite about specifically whether novel recommendations get clicked more often. However, YouTube makes $15 billion in revenue. The recommender is responsible for an enormous fraction of that revenue. Google and YouTube have an enormous group of talented ML engineers. I am certain that they have tested changing the proportion of novel recommendations, and whatever proportion they use is the proportion that maximizes engagement. Personally, I hate the YouTube recommender as well. It's particularly aggravating that I'm stuck with it and its lack of configurability even though I pay YouTube to make the ads go away, so they get no additional revenue when I watch more. However, Netflix does many of the same things as YouTube, including autoplay, because they have found that autoplay makes you watch more, and if you watch more, you're more likely to renew your subscription.
    - sovok_x 6y ago
      Making big revenue and having best teams doesn't mean they do everything most efficiently and don't ever go the way of the lowest friction. I am really curious whether someone really tested it and found it unfeasible from a technical or psychological standpoint. The autoplay stuff I clearly understand but the recommendations' - don't.

l0b0 6y ago

I may have rewatched maybe 1% of the videos I've seen, so either I'm way outside their target group, the recommender isn't adapting to my behaviour, or 1% is the best it can do. Also, based on my experience with GDrive support I really don't believe that Google has excellent engineers all over the place. Like virtually all big companies before them, once they get big enough the overhead of keeping the services from regressing takes up all the available energy.