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Microsoft is. They publicly sided with and are helping to support Epic. Google didn’t do a mobile PWA for Stadia even on Android. I thought there was a comment

Microsoft is. They publicly sided with and are helping to support Epic. Google didn’t do a mobile PWA for Stadia even on Android. I thought there was a comment about some technical limitations on iOS Safari in some previous thread but I can’t remember. They probably want the same experience everywhere.

scarface74 6y ago
Microsoft specifically sided with Epic with regards to Apple trying to deny Epic from developing the Unreal engine on iOS. Nothing else.
- wayneftw 6y ago
  Microsoft has definitely spoken out about app stores and their 30% cut. Here's a quote: > “If you look at the industry today, I think what you’ll find is increasingly you’re seeing app stores that have created higher walls and far more formidable gates to access other applications than anything that existed in the industry 20 years ago,” says Smith. “They impose requirements that increasingly say there’s only one way to get onto our platform, and that is to go through the gate that we ourselves have created. In some cases they create a very high price for a toll, in some cases 30 percent of all your revenue has to go to the toll keeper if you will.” - Microsoft’s chief legal officer Brad Smith [0] [0] https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/19/21296657/microsoft-apple-app-store-antitrust-comments https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/19/21296657/microsoft-apple-...
  - scarface74 6y ago
    The same 30% that they take on XBox? You also have to pay MS a license fee for every game sold on the XBox - whether digital or physical. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/08/as-epic-attacks-apple-and-google-it-ignores-the-same-problems-on-consoles/ https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/08/as-epic-attacks-apple...
    - wayneftw 6y ago
      I guess you'd have to ask Microsoft’s chief legal officer Brad Smith. Also, game consoles aren't nearly as ubiquitous or important to society as smart phones. I'm all for treating them very differently! We certainly don't treat matchbooks the same as we treat flamethrowers.
      - scarface74 6y ago
        Microsoft’s official position when it filed a brief in support of Epic was only with regards to the Unreal engine. Do you really think that MS is naive enough to think that if the courts force Apple to change their policy with iOS devices, consoles won’t be next?
        wayneftw 6y ago
        > Do you really think that MS is naive enough to think that if the courts force Apple to change their policy with iOS devices, consoles won’t be next? You seem pretty confident of the outcome. Are you a lawyer? Seems to me that a lot of different things could happen. We certainly don’t regulate every mode of transportation the same just because they all transport people. You are forcing an analogy between smart phones and consoles that is based on one facet of their operation. Someone could live their whole life without owning a game console. Meanwhile, smart phones are considered an absolute necessity by a vast, vast majority of people in the US.
        scarface74 6y ago
        Even if we say that people “need” a smart phone. A) do they need an iphone? B) do they need any of the apps that Apple doesn’t allow? C) in the case of Epic, why should Epic be treated differently by Apple than it is by consoles?
        wayneftw 6y ago
        Easy. A) When we came up with rules for car manufacturers, why should any single one of them get preferential treatment? B) Do people need third party car parts that car manufacturers originally wouldn't let anybody else manufacture? Maybe not, but we still have laws protecting those third party manufacturers to allow them to sell. C) There is no reason to treat bicycles (consoles) the same as cars (smart phones) because smart phones are so much more important to society than consoles. As a matter of fact - we have laws that inhibit car manufacturers from selling directly to customers. There's absolutely no reason why we can't have the same things for smart phone manufacturers. I say take their "company stores" away altogether [0]. I'm confident that it's going to happen eventually - if not from this lawsuit then from another. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_store https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_store
hitchhikerr 6y ago
Stadia is a PWA on desktop Chrome

scarface74 6y ago

Microsoft specifically sided with Epic with regards to Apple trying to deny Epic from developing the Unreal engine on iOS. Nothing else.

wayneftw 6y ago
Microsoft has definitely spoken out about app stores and their 30% cut. Here's a quote: > “If you look at the industry today, I think what you’ll find is increasingly you’re seeing app stores that have created higher walls and far more formidable gates to access other applications than anything that existed in the industry 20 years ago,” says Smith. “They impose requirements that increasingly say there’s only one way to get onto our platform, and that is to go through the gate that we ourselves have created. In some cases they create a very high price for a toll, in some cases 30 percent of all your revenue has to go to the toll keeper if you will.” - Microsoft’s chief legal officer Brad Smith [0] [0] https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/19/21296657/microsoft-apple-app-store-antitrust-comments https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/19/21296657/microsoft-apple-...
- scarface74 6y ago
  The same 30% that they take on XBox? You also have to pay MS a license fee for every game sold on the XBox - whether digital or physical. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/08/as-epic-attacks-apple-and-google-it-ignores-the-same-problems-on-consoles/ https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/08/as-epic-attacks-apple...
  - wayneftw 6y ago
    I guess you'd have to ask Microsoft’s chief legal officer Brad Smith. Also, game consoles aren't nearly as ubiquitous or important to society as smart phones. I'm all for treating them very differently! We certainly don't treat matchbooks the same as we treat flamethrowers.
    - scarface74 6y ago
      Microsoft’s official position when it filed a brief in support of Epic was only with regards to the Unreal engine. Do you really think that MS is naive enough to think that if the courts force Apple to change their policy with iOS devices, consoles won’t be next?
      - wayneftw 6y ago
        > Do you really think that MS is naive enough to think that if the courts force Apple to change their policy with iOS devices, consoles won’t be next? You seem pretty confident of the outcome. Are you a lawyer? Seems to me that a lot of different things could happen. We certainly don’t regulate every mode of transportation the same just because they all transport people. You are forcing an analogy between smart phones and consoles that is based on one facet of their operation. Someone could live their whole life without owning a game console. Meanwhile, smart phones are considered an absolute necessity by a vast, vast majority of people in the US.
        scarface74 6y ago
        Even if we say that people “need” a smart phone. A) do they need an iphone? B) do they need any of the apps that Apple doesn’t allow? C) in the case of Epic, why should Epic be treated differently by Apple than it is by consoles?
        wayneftw 6y ago
        Easy. A) When we came up with rules for car manufacturers, why should any single one of them get preferential treatment? B) Do people need third party car parts that car manufacturers originally wouldn't let anybody else manufacture? Maybe not, but we still have laws protecting those third party manufacturers to allow them to sell. C) There is no reason to treat bicycles (consoles) the same as cars (smart phones) because smart phones are so much more important to society than consoles. As a matter of fact - we have laws that inhibit car manufacturers from selling directly to customers. There's absolutely no reason why we can't have the same things for smart phone manufacturers. I say take their "company stores" away altogether [0]. I'm confident that it's going to happen eventually - if not from this lawsuit then from another. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_store https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_store

hitchhikerr 6y ago

Stadia is a PWA on desktop Chrome