> You're basically saying 'my mob is right and that's that'. No, I'm saying that it's perfectly fine to critique any system that wields power. Please read my m

> You're basically saying 'my mob is right and that's that'. No, I'm saying that it's perfectly fine to critique any system that wields power. Please read my message again. It says so directly. > The community is way, way more important than your opinion I never really said you ought to go one way or another, against or pro ice. Again, I'm just saying you can critique systems as much as you want. There are illegitimate legal and "legitimized" institutions: slavery, Jim Crow, japanese internment. > Even at the international level, we have some semblance of rules we try to follow. Sometimes, yeah, if it benefits us. Other times, no, we just go trample someone's country with depleted uranium, or we send death squads to rape nuns, or we help coups move along. Some rules are followed, insofar as they don't interfere with our material or ideological interests. > You don't get to pick and chose which laws to follow. I only ever jay walked whenever I didn't see a cop around. I stayed out past curfew. I drove on rural back roads without a license. Hell, I barely ever updated my license when I moved states. I've sped a shit ton, as well. Almost anyone that breaks laws does so selectively because it's wreckless otherwise. > Take a moment to talk to migrants of countries with actually 'bad' regimes and you'll get an earful. Yeah, there are places that are worse than America, but there's plenty of critique to be had if we weren't so cowardly as to look inward. There's nothing more indicative of the American dream being dead than saying, "it's so much worse out there." That's the line of thinking that allows fascism to fester. Anything to protect yourself from the evil outside, no matter the cost.