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I’m not committed to a centralized one, it just seemed like the best initial solution. Are you familiar with distributed solutions to squishy problems like jour

I’m not committed to a centralized one, it just seemed like the best initial solution. Are you familiar with distributed solutions to squishy problems like journalistic truth? I don’t know any offhand.

hammock 6y ago
Proper education (whether inside the family household or outside)? Critical thinking? Personal accountability? There might not be a need for one or more guaranteed sources like you describe.
- ceilingcorner 6y ago
  Of course those things are also needed, but that wasn’t really what my comment is talking about. Nor are they mutually exclusive. The issue I’m referring to is at the institutional level, not the individual one. As far as I’m concerned, when anyone with critical thinking skills analyzes the media, it all looks like propaganda. That doesn’t really help society get more accurate information.
  - hammock 6y ago
    Not to split hairs, you started out suggesting that the world is destined toward a future where an institutional source of journalistic truth no longer exists. Then you propose how to force one back in. More interesting to me is, how to live better in a world without one?
    - ceilingcorner 6y ago
      I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about this myself, but to save the long explanation for another time, I’ll just say: I don’t think there is a solution, other than localism, or a highly transparent and rigorous centralized institution. The closer you are to a community and information, the better you can judge it for yourself. Not to mention the fact that most global news isn’t particularly relevant for most people. What that means in practical terms, I’m not sure.
      - hammock 6y ago
        Historically, if you wanted good information, you paid for it. Whether that was a king's intelligence network, or a peasant's daily paper. However in today's world the consumers of media are not paying for it. The advertisers are. So we end up with incentives that lean away from journalistic truth. Could it be that simple? If you want good information, you can still pay for it. Nation-states do this. Hedge funds do this. There is more data available on the open market than ever before. But the buy-side of that market has shifted considerably.
- pjc50 6y ago
  Much of the problem is memes shared by older people on Facebook who are 30+ years out of any kind of formal education, so even if we had an education magic wand the lead time is enormous, well into the "climate change has been decided one way or the other" era. > Personal accountability? What on earth does this look like? Going up to random punters buying the Sun, grabbing them by the lapels and asking "why are you reading this propaganda?"
  - hammock 6y ago
    Personal accountability doesn't refer to holding others accountable, yourself. LOL. It refers to the opposite - holding yourself accountable.
    - pjc50 6y ago
      That would be fine if other people's interpretation of media was always harmless to me.
malwarebytess 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiTribune https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiTribune https://www.wikitribune.com/ https://www.wikitribune.com/ It failed. Only large one I am familiar with. I agree with you. It needs to be centralized because it has to be authoritative.

hammock 6y ago

Proper education (whether inside the family household or outside)? Critical thinking? Personal accountability? There might not be a need for one or more guaranteed sources like you describe.

ceilingcorner 6y ago
Of course those things are also needed, but that wasn’t really what my comment is talking about. Nor are they mutually exclusive. The issue I’m referring to is at the institutional level, not the individual one. As far as I’m concerned, when anyone with critical thinking skills analyzes the media, it all looks like propaganda. That doesn’t really help society get more accurate information.
- hammock 6y ago
  Not to split hairs, you started out suggesting that the world is destined toward a future where an institutional source of journalistic truth no longer exists. Then you propose how to force one back in. More interesting to me is, how to live better in a world without one?
  - ceilingcorner 6y ago
    I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about this myself, but to save the long explanation for another time, I’ll just say: I don’t think there is a solution, other than localism, or a highly transparent and rigorous centralized institution. The closer you are to a community and information, the better you can judge it for yourself. Not to mention the fact that most global news isn’t particularly relevant for most people. What that means in practical terms, I’m not sure.
    - hammock 6y ago
      Historically, if you wanted good information, you paid for it. Whether that was a king's intelligence network, or a peasant's daily paper. However in today's world the consumers of media are not paying for it. The advertisers are. So we end up with incentives that lean away from journalistic truth. Could it be that simple? If you want good information, you can still pay for it. Nation-states do this. Hedge funds do this. There is more data available on the open market than ever before. But the buy-side of that market has shifted considerably.
pjc50 6y ago
Much of the problem is memes shared by older people on Facebook who are 30+ years out of any kind of formal education, so even if we had an education magic wand the lead time is enormous, well into the "climate change has been decided one way or the other" era. > Personal accountability? What on earth does this look like? Going up to random punters buying the Sun, grabbing them by the lapels and asking "why are you reading this propaganda?"
- hammock 6y ago
  Personal accountability doesn't refer to holding others accountable, yourself. LOL. It refers to the opposite - holding yourself accountable.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    That would be fine if other people's interpretation of media was always harmless to me.

malwarebytess 6y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiTribune https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiTribune https://www.wikitribune.com/ https://www.wikitribune.com/ It failed. Only large one I am familiar with. I agree with you. It needs to be centralized because it has to be authoritative.