> Just to be clear, my point was that reasonable people can disagree on these issues. Do you think that reasonable people can disagree on these issues or not?

> Just to be clear, my point was that reasonable people can disagree on these issues. Do you think that reasonable people can disagree on these issues or not? About immigration laws, yes. About civil rights, no. > Medical care. I read this article[2], and my reading of it is that ICE generally provides decent care with the exceptions noted in the report/article. These stories seem to be most similar to the stories we heard coming out of the VA hospitals a few years ago - aka due to large government orgs being incompetent not evil. I wasn't accusing them of being evil. Your original point was that people should keep politics out of business on grey issues. The Trump administration has moved this from a grey issue where good people could look the other way on incompetence-related failures to a black-and-white issue where it's tough to tell where the incompetence ends and the malice begins. Since the government is incapable of doing anything useful right now, it shouldn't be that surprising when people with a voice seek redress in the areas they have power. Corporations are at zenith of their power and influence right now, so it follows that people would take advantage of that.