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There are literally people on this board indicating that 'Nations are not real'. There are large numbers of individuals who don't believe in borders, or in any

by jariel 6y ago

There are literally people on this board indicating that 'Nations are not real'. There are large numbers of individuals who don't believe in borders, or in any form of real border enforcement. There are large numbers of individuals who don't think that there is any such thing as an 'illegal status' and that nobody should be deported or sanctioned on any terms. That's what makes the 'ICE ban' more controversial than it may seem, and probably hard to understand for 'pro ban supporters' why some might not support it. You seem to be saying 'hey, this is just about arbitrary detention, because that's what I feel is wrong' - but I would say it's a much broader issue. It's inherently more political than 'detention' which is what makes it difficult, and why there needs to be more objectivity on this. For the life of me I can't understand why the US government doesn't at least make sure there is fairy consistent law-fullness within ICE.

arrosenberg 6y ago
I'm not saying there aren't people who feel that way, but they don't represent any significant majority. Even in the Democratic party, open borders is a highly unpopular idea. I guess it depends on your definition of "large numbers", but mine is "large enough to affect policy in the US", and by that definition, the open borders lobby does not have large numbers. > You seem to be saying 'hey, this is just about arbitrary detention, because that's what I feel is wrong' - but I would say it's a much broader issue. I'm saying that we're violating the rights of the people we are detaining. I'm not strictly against the detention or removal if the law is sane and it's enforced accordingly. > For the life of me I can't understand why the US government doesn't at least make sure there is fairy consistent law-fullness within ICE. One party has a vested interested in the way things currently are. Maybe both of them do.

by jariel 6y ago

arrosenberg 6y ago

I'm not saying there aren't people who feel that way, but they don't represent any significant majority. Even in the Democratic party, open borders is a highly unpopular idea. I guess it depends on your definition of "large numbers", but mine is "large enough to affect policy in the US", and by that definition, the open borders lobby does not have large numbers. > You seem to be saying 'hey, this is just about arbitrary detention, because that's what I feel is wrong' - but I would say it's a much broader issue. I'm saying that we're violating the rights of the people we are detaining. I'm not strictly against the detention or removal if the law is sane and it's enforced accordingly. > For the life of me I can't understand why the US government doesn't at least make sure there is fairy consistent law-fullness within ICE. One party has a vested interested in the way things currently are. Maybe both of them do.