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With Jefferey Epstein having been outed and arrested, and given all of his well known connections in industry, academia, and politics, is it still controversial

With Jefferey Epstein having been outed and arrested, and given all of his well known connections in industry, academia, and politics, is it still controversial to say that there might be pedophilia within the ranks of government?

klyrs 6y ago
Yes, it's controversial. Trump says he never met the guy, nevermind the photo of them together. I don't follow QAnon, but if I was Q, I'd spin that picture as proof that Trump was investigating the pedo ring.
FillardMillmore 6y ago
That's not what QAnon is saying though. We've seen instances of government officials involved with pedophilia before, but QAnon and the pizzagate stuff is more precisely positing that not only is there pedophilia, but it's a highly coordinated effort within the government - and yes, that is controversial.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> is it still controversial to say that there might be pedophilia within the ranks of government? No, actual specific public officers have been arrested and convicted of child sex crimes. There's a difference between belief that the Pizzagate conspiracy theory is true, and belief that there might (or even the stronger belief that there absolutely is) "pedophilia within the ranks of the government". One is a very specific conspiracy theory, and one is a belief that a phenomenon which is present throughout humanity and which, like most things, is enabled by positions of power is not somehow magically completely excluded from government. (So, in a sense, an anti-conspiracy theory.)
- oceanplexian 6y ago
  I'm sure if you surveyed people who believe in the "conspiracy" you would find opinions much more nuanced and not necessarily in complete agreement with it, like with anything. But of course the media likes to paint them with a broad brush, because it's easier than actually doing investigative journalism, and the pollsters get similar results, because they're not looking for nuance, they're looking to take a position and use statistics to justify it.
duxup 6y ago
> that there might be pedophilia within the ranks of government What does that mean? Like just based on the size of government... someone is probably a pedophile. But I don't know what that means other than there is a lot of people in government. Beyond that "that there might be pedophilia within the ranks of government" seems too vague.

klyrs 6y ago

Yes, it's controversial. Trump says he never met the guy, nevermind the photo of them together. I don't follow QAnon, but if I was Q, I'd spin that picture as proof that Trump was investigating the pedo ring.

FillardMillmore 6y ago

That's not what QAnon is saying though. We've seen instances of government officials involved with pedophilia before, but QAnon and the pizzagate stuff is more precisely positing that not only is there pedophilia, but it's a highly coordinated effort within the government - and yes, that is controversial.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> is it still controversial to say that there might be pedophilia within the ranks of government? No, actual specific public officers have been arrested and convicted of child sex crimes. There's a difference between belief that the Pizzagate conspiracy theory is true, and belief that there might (or even the stronger belief that there absolutely is) "pedophilia within the ranks of the government". One is a very specific conspiracy theory, and one is a belief that a phenomenon which is present throughout humanity and which, like most things, is enabled by positions of power is not somehow magically completely excluded from government. (So, in a sense, an anti-conspiracy theory.)

oceanplexian 6y ago
I'm sure if you surveyed people who believe in the "conspiracy" you would find opinions much more nuanced and not necessarily in complete agreement with it, like with anything. But of course the media likes to paint them with a broad brush, because it's easier than actually doing investigative journalism, and the pollsters get similar results, because they're not looking for nuance, they're looking to take a position and use statistics to justify it.

duxup 6y ago

> that there might be pedophilia within the ranks of government What does that mean? Like just based on the size of government... someone is probably a pedophile. But I don't know what that means other than there is a lot of people in government. Beyond that "that there might be pedophilia within the ranks of government" seems too vague.