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Just the opposite, without some kind of objective basis for this decision making, it's more likely that corporations will make heavily politicized decisions. I

by jariel 6y ago

Just the opposite, without some kind of objective basis for this decision making, it's more likely that corporations will make heavily politicized decisions. It's short sighted, and it's basically shocking how narrow in scope a lot of this populism is. Has anyone bothered to venture outside the country, maybe for a 2 week vacation? China is putting people into camps on the basis of their ethnicity. Qatar has a new form of 'indentured servitude' where they bring in workers, grab their passports, force them to work of the 'debt' - and give the absolutely zero form of recourse, there is no 'justice system' just what the ruler decide on a whim. Beatings? Dead workers found the desert? Who cares? Or even softer political movements like Irish Catholic groups that demand and end to all contracts for Northern Ireland based businesses? It's not even scratching the surface. CEO's taking actions on these populist causes willy nilly will lead to their own implosion. There has to be deference to legal or legitimized entities or this will not end well.

ianleeclark 6y ago
> There has to be deference to legal or legitimized entities or this will not end well. You'd be surprised just exactly what you can legitimize. No entity, legal or otherwise, inherently deserves deference.
- jariel 6y ago
  You're basically saying 'my mob is right and that's that'. It's completely wrong. The community is way, way more important than your opinion, and we have many established bodies to help us try to be objective about things, to protect minorities, to make sure we have a civic foundation. Even at the international level, we have some semblance of rules we try to follow. You don't get to pick and chose which laws to follow. The best way to fix ICE is to vote, and support litigation if they are doing something which people feel is against the law. They are a mainstream US government entity, there is otherwise no reason to ban them other than supporting internal political mobs. Finally, I would double down on the excessive narrow mindedness of all of this. Take a moment to talk to migrants of countries with actually 'bad' regimes and you'll get an earful. There's real calamity in this world which makes a lot of consternation over otherwise relatively civic stuff seems really immature. I can't fathom how we must look to the immigrants we work with. At very least, if we're going to be serious about it we have to be consistent, and there are zero corporations that have the ability to do that, which is why we defer to established groups.
  - ianleeclark 6y ago
    > You're basically saying 'my mob is right and that's that'. No, I'm saying that it's perfectly fine to critique any system that wields power. Please read my message again. It says so directly. > The community is way, way more important than your opinion I never really said you ought to go one way or another, against or pro ice. Again, I'm just saying you can critique systems as much as you want. There are illegitimate legal and "legitimized" institutions: slavery, Jim Crow, japanese internment. > Even at the international level, we have some semblance of rules we try to follow. Sometimes, yeah, if it benefits us. Other times, no, we just go trample someone's country with depleted uranium, or we send death squads to rape nuns, or we help coups move along. Some rules are followed, insofar as they don't interfere with our material or ideological interests. > You don't get to pick and chose which laws to follow. I only ever jay walked whenever I didn't see a cop around. I stayed out past curfew. I drove on rural back roads without a license. Hell, I barely ever updated my license when I moved states. I've sped a shit ton, as well. Almost anyone that breaks laws does so selectively because it's wreckless otherwise. > Take a moment to talk to migrants of countries with actually 'bad' regimes and you'll get an earful. Yeah, there are places that are worse than America, but there's plenty of critique to be had if we weren't so cowardly as to look inward. There's nothing more indicative of the American dream being dead than saying, "it's so much worse out there." That's the line of thinking that allows fascism to fester. Anything to protect yourself from the evil outside, no matter the cost.

by jariel 6y ago

ianleeclark 6y ago

> There has to be deference to legal or legitimized entities or this will not end well. You'd be surprised just exactly what you can legitimize. No entity, legal or otherwise, inherently deserves deference.

jariel 6y ago
You're basically saying 'my mob is right and that's that'. It's completely wrong. The community is way, way more important than your opinion, and we have many established bodies to help us try to be objective about things, to protect minorities, to make sure we have a civic foundation. Even at the international level, we have some semblance of rules we try to follow. You don't get to pick and chose which laws to follow. The best way to fix ICE is to vote, and support litigation if they are doing something which people feel is against the law. They are a mainstream US government entity, there is otherwise no reason to ban them other than supporting internal political mobs. Finally, I would double down on the excessive narrow mindedness of all of this. Take a moment to talk to migrants of countries with actually 'bad' regimes and you'll get an earful. There's real calamity in this world which makes a lot of consternation over otherwise relatively civic stuff seems really immature. I can't fathom how we must look to the immigrants we work with. At very least, if we're going to be serious about it we have to be consistent, and there are zero corporations that have the ability to do that, which is why we defer to established groups.
- ianleeclark 6y ago
  > You're basically saying 'my mob is right and that's that'. No, I'm saying that it's perfectly fine to critique any system that wields power. Please read my message again. It says so directly. > The community is way, way more important than your opinion I never really said you ought to go one way or another, against or pro ice. Again, I'm just saying you can critique systems as much as you want. There are illegitimate legal and "legitimized" institutions: slavery, Jim Crow, japanese internment. > Even at the international level, we have some semblance of rules we try to follow. Sometimes, yeah, if it benefits us. Other times, no, we just go trample someone's country with depleted uranium, or we send death squads to rape nuns, or we help coups move along. Some rules are followed, insofar as they don't interfere with our material or ideological interests. > You don't get to pick and chose which laws to follow. I only ever jay walked whenever I didn't see a cop around. I stayed out past curfew. I drove on rural back roads without a license. Hell, I barely ever updated my license when I moved states. I've sped a shit ton, as well. Almost anyone that breaks laws does so selectively because it's wreckless otherwise. > Take a moment to talk to migrants of countries with actually 'bad' regimes and you'll get an earful. Yeah, there are places that are worse than America, but there's plenty of critique to be had if we weren't so cowardly as to look inward. There's nothing more indicative of the American dream being dead than saying, "it's so much worse out there." That's the line of thinking that allows fascism to fester. Anything to protect yourself from the evil outside, no matter the cost.