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Well if your country was itself formed by other illegal aliens it is a bit hypocritical to want to keep others out. Obviously if this was native Americans it is

Well if your country was itself formed by other illegal aliens it is a bit hypocritical to want to keep others out. Obviously if this was native Americans it is different, but I bet everyone of those people that want to limit 'illegal immigration' are themselves immigrants only 3 or 4 generations ago. And I'm sure you will tell me they are legal immigrants, but I bet there are native Americans who would call that bullshit.

mywittyname 6y ago
But their ancestors did it the "right"* way. * Just show up and not be obviously sick.
nohomeland 6y ago
3 or 4 generations? Give me a break. My family came over so long ago that we don't know when it happened, just that our lineage can be traced back before the Revolution, to Loyalists and Patriots alike, to both Americans and Canadians, but we don't know and can't discover when they arrived via ship, but it was a lot more than 3 generations ago. 3 generations ago my family was fighting Nazism. 5 generations ago, they fought and died for the Union. How many generations do I and my family need to live on this continent before this is a place we're allowed to live without it being on "stolen land" like the radicals in Canada like to proclaim? Or am I supposed to tell my children they have to "go back" to countries that no longer exist, on a continent that never wanted them in the first place, six, seven, eight generations after their ancestors left? A continent which is also under pressure to accept whatever immigrants wish to move there, no matter the repercussions of conflicts of culture. This kind of dismissive attitude towards European-descended Americans is the same racist attitude that underpins the hatred towards anyone who identifies ethnically as "American," which I do, because my family's heritage is long-severed from the Old World, and thank God my kids won't even be able to be accused of being White, that evil race, due to my own miscegenation, so they do not need to listen to this kind of racist drivel about Americans with light skin on sites like this one day after day after day
- AlotOfReading 6y ago
  Out of your thousand or so nominal ancestors from ~1776, none of them lived outside the US and Canada? That's an astonishingly complete genealogy and given that the vast, vast majority of Americans have more recent immigrant heritage somewhere, more than a little unbelievable.
- celticninja 6y ago
  You can stay as long as you like and call yourself an American, you just have to allow everyone else that same right.
reaperducer 6y ago
I bet everyone of those people that want to limit 'illegal immigration' are themselves immigrants only 3 or 4 generations ago There is a difference between immigration and illegal immigration. You can be in favor of immigration, and against illegal immigration.
- celticninja 6y ago
  Yes I'm sure you can, but illegal immigration is only illegal because the current occupants don't want it. However those same occupants are there because their ancestors 'illegally immigrated' that lack of awareness is my problem.
  - reaperducer 6y ago
    What makes you think I they're unaware? Do you presume to have some kind of insight that everyone else doesn't? And why is it the children's fault for something their great great grandparents did? Should all the ancestors of everyone who ever went from one country to another be forced to return to that country? I don't think many countries could handle that many people.
    - celticninja 6y ago
      nope, i dont believe that is the case at all. The issue I have is that those descendants now seek to prevent others from enjoying opportunities that they themselves have enjoyed.

mywittyname 6y ago

But their ancestors did it the "right"* way. * Just show up and not be obviously sick.

nohomeland 6y ago

3 or 4 generations? Give me a break. My family came over so long ago that we don't know when it happened, just that our lineage can be traced back before the Revolution, to Loyalists and Patriots alike, to both Americans and Canadians, but we don't know and can't discover when they arrived via ship, but it was a lot more than 3 generations ago. 3 generations ago my family was fighting Nazism. 5 generations ago, they fought and died for the Union. How many generations do I and my family need to live on this continent before this is a place we're allowed to live without it being on "stolen land" like the radicals in Canada like to proclaim? Or am I supposed to tell my children they have to "go back" to countries that no longer exist, on a continent that never wanted them in the first place, six, seven, eight generations after their ancestors left? A continent which is also under pressure to accept whatever immigrants wish to move there, no matter the repercussions of conflicts of culture. This kind of dismissive attitude towards European-descended Americans is the same racist attitude that underpins the hatred towards anyone who identifies ethnically as "American," which I do, because my family's heritage is long-severed from the Old World, and thank God my kids won't even be able to be accused of being White, that evil race, due to my own miscegenation, so they do not need to listen to this kind of racist drivel about Americans with light skin on sites like this one day after day after day

AlotOfReading 6y ago
Out of your thousand or so nominal ancestors from ~1776, none of them lived outside the US and Canada? That's an astonishingly complete genealogy and given that the vast, vast majority of Americans have more recent immigrant heritage somewhere, more than a little unbelievable.
celticninja 6y ago
You can stay as long as you like and call yourself an American, you just have to allow everyone else that same right.

reaperducer 6y ago

I bet everyone of those people that want to limit 'illegal immigration' are themselves immigrants only 3 or 4 generations ago There is a difference between immigration and illegal immigration. You can be in favor of immigration, and against illegal immigration.

celticninja 6y ago
Yes I'm sure you can, but illegal immigration is only illegal because the current occupants don't want it. However those same occupants are there because their ancestors 'illegally immigrated' that lack of awareness is my problem.
- reaperducer 6y ago
  What makes you think I they're unaware? Do you presume to have some kind of insight that everyone else doesn't? And why is it the children's fault for something their great great grandparents did? Should all the ancestors of everyone who ever went from one country to another be forced to return to that country? I don't think many countries could handle that many people.
  - celticninja 6y ago
    nope, i dont believe that is the case at all. The issue I have is that those descendants now seek to prevent others from enjoying opportunities that they themselves have enjoyed.