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> I have built trust with Apple and prefer the centralized Apple (over the decentralized dev-houses of the world) IMO this is a false dichotomy. Epic and Spoti

by _qulr 6y ago

> I have built trust with Apple and prefer the centralized Apple (over the decentralized dev-houses of the world) IMO this is a false dichotomy. Epic and Spotify are not the size of Apple, but they're still giants compared to little indie developers. I trust indie devs way more than any of the BigCos. It's just natural: the fewer customers you have, and the less market power you have, the more you care, the more you have to care, about your individual customers.

yazaddaruvala 6y ago
I appreciate this sentiment, but I've lived through too many of these transitions to agree. e.g. Blizzard, Google, YouTube, Curse, Sun Microsystems, Zynga, Minecraft, Occulus. Indie developers / startups either become the size of Epic and Spotify, or get bought by companies the size of Epic, Spotify and Apple. Find me the indie developers / startups that cannot be "corrupted" (converted?) and I'll invest as soon as they IPO. Meanwhile, there are some companies that make it their business model to build trust at scale. Apple, Valve, Nintendo, Microsoft (exclusively for enterprise clients) are a few great examples.
- _qulr 6y ago
  Why do you conflate indie developers with startups? They're entirely different.
  - yazaddaruvala 6y ago
    For me they are both: Small groups of people passionately working towards a unique vision, typically under-funded to address a niche that is under-represented / under-invested by "the incumbents". I'd be happy to view them differently. I just haven't been educated on the differences.
- a1369209993 6y ago
  > Find me the indie developers / startups that cannot be "corrupted" (converted?) and I'll invest as soon as they IPO. A couple years ago I would have said Bay 12 Games, but they recently sold out to Valve, despite almost (more than?) two decades as independent. Trust no one, trust nothing.

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> I have built trust with Apple and prefer the centralized Apple (over the decentralized dev-houses of the world) IMO this is a false dichotomy. Epic and Spoti

by _qulr 6y ago

yazaddaruvala 6y ago
I appreciate this sentiment, but I've lived through too many of these transitions to agree. e.g. Blizzard, Google, YouTube, Curse, Sun Microsystems, Zynga, Minecraft, Occulus. Indie developers / startups either become the size of Epic and Spotify, or get bought by companies the size of Epic, Spotify and Apple. Find me the indie developers / startups that cannot be "corrupted" (converted?) and I'll invest as soon as they IPO. Meanwhile, there are some companies that make it their business model to build trust at scale. Apple, Valve, Nintendo, Microsoft (exclusively for enterprise clients) are a few great examples.
- _qulr 6y ago
  Why do you conflate indie developers with startups? They're entirely different.
  - yazaddaruvala 6y ago
    For me they are both: Small groups of people passionately working towards a unique vision, typically under-funded to address a niche that is under-represented / under-invested by "the incumbents". I'd be happy to view them differently. I just haven't been educated on the differences.
- a1369209993 6y ago
  > Find me the indie developers / startups that cannot be "corrupted" (converted?) and I'll invest as soon as they IPO. A couple years ago I would have said Bay 12 Games, but they recently sold out to Valve, despite almost (more than?) two decades as independent. Trust no one, trust nothing.