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The developers aren’t happy. No one forces a Fortnite player to buy skins or emotes, Apple forces developers to pay the fee.

DivisionSol 6y ago
Er, no one is forcing any developer to make an app for iOS.
- bluedevil2k 6y ago
  I see this type of comment a lot in these discussions on the App Store - "no one is forcing you to make an iOS app". No, no one is holding a gun to your head to make an iOS app. But you know what, people need to make money to pay the mortgage and feed their kids. If you're a programmer who has years of experience, who wants to make money in the field you have years of experience in, the field you likely enjoy doing and are good at, then YES you are forced to make an app on iOS because that's where the majority of the paying customers are. It's a bogus excuse to say "don't make an iOS app then". That's akin to telling a programmer "just learn to eat a little less".
  - pb7 6y ago
    Oh no, won't someone think of the... talented and skilled white-collar worker in one of the hottest and highest paying industries of all time that can work literally anywhere? Enough with the appeals to emotion.
    - bluedevil2k 6y ago
      You're right, we should side with the multi-trillion dollar company that refuses to pay taxes on their multi-billion dollar profits.
      - pb7 6y ago
        Apple, like every other company and individual, pays every dollar they owe and not a penny more. If this weren't the case, the IRS would be rolling up to their doorstep. If you don't like the tax laws, then petition them to be changed and I will support you. And yes, let's side with the company that became worth a trillion dollars by virtue of providing billions of people with devices and services that enrich their lives enough for them to shell over often times their last dollars. Not the company that peddles digital skins to children that only further glues them to their screens.
        bluedevil2k 6y ago
        > Not the company that ... only further glues them to their screens. You’re right again, Apple has no part at all in kids being glued to screens.
        hellotomyrars 6y ago
        If someone commits a crime, like murder, but isn't convicted of it because a jury declared them innocent it doesn't change the fact that they did murder someone. Apple may get away with it because they can afford to spend millions on both lobbying and finding every way to avoid paying taxes that people without the same resources would otherwise pay, but that doesn't make it okay. We don't have to side with either of these incredibly wealthy corporations having a money fight. They can both be criticized and we can demand better. Personally I love my iPhone/iPad because I truly feel they are the best mobile hardware available. For the same reason, I have 0 interest in the Mac ecosystem because it's objectively not the best hardware on the market. (Especially as a cost-conscious person). The wheels they sell for the Mac Pro are more expensive than the iPhone I bought from them (iPhone SE 2nd Gen). Absurd. I would like an officially sanctioned way to sideload onto my iPhone. I am in favor of court decision that would force them to allow you to bypass the walled garden. I think it's a very simple answer to the overall issue at hand. I doubt the majority of iOS users are going to bother with it if the functionality was there, and it solves the walled garden monopoly issue.
    - Apocryphon 6y ago
      You just responded to an appeal to emotion with an appeal to emotion.
pb7 6y ago
No one is forcing them to develop for iOS. I will bet you dollars to donuts developers are very happy about the money they make from iOS otherwise they wouldn't be there.
- bluedevil2k 6y ago
  > Otherwise they wouldn't be there They're on the App Store because they have no choice and they need to make money to pay for things like food, rent, etc. I'll bet you dollars to donuts if some regulation required Apple to allow App Stores from other companies, most developers would dump Apple's in a heartbeat.
  - pb7 6y ago
    >They're on the App Store because they have no choice and they need to make money to pay for things like food, rent, etc. That's crazy how before 2008 no developer was able to pay for food and rent. Sounds dreadful. Too bad there's no alternative that has an even bigger share of the total mobile market. Come on, dude. >I'll bet you dollars to donuts if some regulation required Apple to allow App Stores from other companies, most developers would dump Apple's in a heartbeat. Right, the same way that most car companies would abandon emissions standards if the EPA no longer forced them to (see: Volkswagen emissions scandal). That doesn't make it a good thing for consumers.
- Aldo_MX 6y ago
  > No one is forcing them to develop for iOS. The market is. You can not afford not to publish something on iOS, if iOS were a niche platform used only by 1% of users maybe, but it is a mainstream platform used by more than 40% of users in the US.
  - pb7 6y ago
    I find it hard to believe that 100% of the market is the exact perfect amount that any given developer needs to sustain their business. 99% is already too little, and 60% is a non-starter. And yet this is the same market where tens to hundreds of companies have proliferated into billion dollar entities in mere years. It's nothing more than greed, just like the greed you supposedly fight against.

DivisionSol 6y ago

Er, no one is forcing any developer to make an app for iOS.

bluedevil2k 6y ago
I see this type of comment a lot in these discussions on the App Store - "no one is forcing you to make an iOS app". No, no one is holding a gun to your head to make an iOS app. But you know what, people need to make money to pay the mortgage and feed their kids. If you're a programmer who has years of experience, who wants to make money in the field you have years of experience in, the field you likely enjoy doing and are good at, then YES you are forced to make an app on iOS because that's where the majority of the paying customers are. It's a bogus excuse to say "don't make an iOS app then". That's akin to telling a programmer "just learn to eat a little less".
- pb7 6y ago
  Oh no, won't someone think of the... talented and skilled white-collar worker in one of the hottest and highest paying industries of all time that can work literally anywhere? Enough with the appeals to emotion.
  - bluedevil2k 6y ago
    You're right, we should side with the multi-trillion dollar company that refuses to pay taxes on their multi-billion dollar profits.
    - pb7 6y ago
      Apple, like every other company and individual, pays every dollar they owe and not a penny more. If this weren't the case, the IRS would be rolling up to their doorstep. If you don't like the tax laws, then petition them to be changed and I will support you. And yes, let's side with the company that became worth a trillion dollars by virtue of providing billions of people with devices and services that enrich their lives enough for them to shell over often times their last dollars. Not the company that peddles digital skins to children that only further glues them to their screens.
      - bluedevil2k 6y ago
        > Not the company that ... only further glues them to their screens. You’re right again, Apple has no part at all in kids being glued to screens.
      - hellotomyrars 6y ago
        If someone commits a crime, like murder, but isn't convicted of it because a jury declared them innocent it doesn't change the fact that they did murder someone. Apple may get away with it because they can afford to spend millions on both lobbying and finding every way to avoid paying taxes that people without the same resources would otherwise pay, but that doesn't make it okay. We don't have to side with either of these incredibly wealthy corporations having a money fight. They can both be criticized and we can demand better. Personally I love my iPhone/iPad because I truly feel they are the best mobile hardware available. For the same reason, I have 0 interest in the Mac ecosystem because it's objectively not the best hardware on the market. (Especially as a cost-conscious person). The wheels they sell for the Mac Pro are more expensive than the iPhone I bought from them (iPhone SE 2nd Gen). Absurd. I would like an officially sanctioned way to sideload onto my iPhone. I am in favor of court decision that would force them to allow you to bypass the walled garden. I think it's a very simple answer to the overall issue at hand. I doubt the majority of iOS users are going to bother with it if the functionality was there, and it solves the walled garden monopoly issue.
  - Apocryphon 6y ago
    You just responded to an appeal to emotion with an appeal to emotion.

pb7 6y ago

No one is forcing them to develop for iOS. I will bet you dollars to donuts developers are very happy about the money they make from iOS otherwise they wouldn't be there.

bluedevil2k 6y ago
> Otherwise they wouldn't be there They're on the App Store because they have no choice and they need to make money to pay for things like food, rent, etc. I'll bet you dollars to donuts if some regulation required Apple to allow App Stores from other companies, most developers would dump Apple's in a heartbeat.
- pb7 6y ago
  >They're on the App Store because they have no choice and they need to make money to pay for things like food, rent, etc. That's crazy how before 2008 no developer was able to pay for food and rent. Sounds dreadful. Too bad there's no alternative that has an even bigger share of the total mobile market. Come on, dude. >I'll bet you dollars to donuts if some regulation required Apple to allow App Stores from other companies, most developers would dump Apple's in a heartbeat. Right, the same way that most car companies would abandon emissions standards if the EPA no longer forced them to (see: Volkswagen emissions scandal). That doesn't make it a good thing for consumers.
Aldo_MX 6y ago
> No one is forcing them to develop for iOS. The market is. You can not afford not to publish something on iOS, if iOS were a niche platform used only by 1% of users maybe, but it is a mainstream platform used by more than 40% of users in the US.
- pb7 6y ago
  I find it hard to believe that 100% of the market is the exact perfect amount that any given developer needs to sustain their business. 99% is already too little, and 60% is a non-starter. And yet this is the same market where tens to hundreds of companies have proliferated into billion dollar entities in mere years. It's nothing more than greed, just like the greed you supposedly fight against.