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I have been out of the loop of IPFS. I know IPFS mostly deals with data distribution, but last I checked, it did not have any mechanisms for data durability. Ha

by Nican 6y ago

I have been out of the loop of IPFS. I know IPFS mostly deals with data distribution, but last I checked, it did not have any mechanisms for data durability. Has anything changed on that front?

latchkey 6y ago
There is a lot of work happening in the filecoin area, which I imagine addresses durability. filecoin is built on top of ipfs. https://filecoin.io/store/ https://filecoin.io/store/
- yupyup54133 6y ago
  Filecoin is poorly executed. Check out Sia and Skynet to see something that actually works.
  - shakezula 6y ago
    This seems hyperbolic. Filecoin hasn’t even launched yet and you’re calling it poorly executed. Sia has its own set of problems and trade offs they made, which you’re really glossing over here.
    - anchpop 6y ago
      I'm familiar with Sia but know little about Filecoin, can you elaborate on the tradeoffs between the two?
      - shakezula 6y ago
        Sia records the data on chain (this is a little reductionist) where as filecoin opens up a market for storage and retrieval. Sia requires you to run a full node to interact with the chain and data, filecoin does not. Sia is gearing their product towards a different use case, the most compelling being personal backups imo. Filecoin is attempting to create an ecosystem around theirs with an in depth market around different actions on-chain. They make different trade offs. But it’s incredibly premature to call Filecoin “poorly executed”. The connotation around “look at sia to see something that actually works” completely disregards that there are other decentralized storage providers that “actually work” and that Sia has some key drawbacks too, performance and node management being notable ones.
        yupyup54133 6y ago
        > Sia records the data on chain (this is a little reductionist) where as filecoin opens up a market for storage and retrieval. Sia requires you to run a full node to interact with the chain and data, filecoin does not. Sia is gearing their product towards a different use case, the most compelling being personal backups imo. Everything you wrote is no longer true of Sia and Skynet. Your information is extremely out of date.
        abrookewood 6y ago
        I think your comment would be better received if you explained how the parent's information was out of date. As it stands, this isn't really helpful.
        nemo1618 6y ago
        > Sia records the data on chain where as filecoin opens up a market for storage and retrieval I think what you're trying to say is that with Sia, you are responsible for choosing which hosts store your data, whereas with Filecoin, you submit an open contract to the network, and any host that satisfies your terms can claim it. Both platforms have a market, but Sia's is off-chain and Filecoin's is on-chain. (Also, to be clear, Sia doesn't store actual file data on the blockchain itself -- it's been clear since the early days of Bitcoin that storing large amounts of data on-chain isn't viable.) > Sia requires you to run a full node to interact with the chain and data Technically it's always been possible to store and retrieve data without running a full node (you just need a few secret keys, hashes, and IP addresses), but I'll grant that it hasn't been very user-friendly until recently. > performance Can you be more specific?
bergie 6y ago
Back in the early days of IPFS, we had the idea of setting up "pinning rings" between hackerspaces https://github.com/c-base/ipfs-ringpin https://github.com/c-base/ipfs-ringpin
davidgerard 6y ago
The whole idea is still equivalent to BitTorrent with magnet: links. So no, it's not a free file store - if you want to make sure your file is available, you have to seed it, or pay someone else to.

by Nican 6y ago

I have been out of the loop of IPFS. I know IPFS mostly deals with data distribution, but last I checked, it did not have any mechanisms for data durability. Has anything changed on that front?

latchkey 6y ago

There is a lot of work happening in the filecoin area, which I imagine addresses durability. filecoin is built on top of ipfs. https://filecoin.io/store/ https://filecoin.io/store/

yupyup54133 6y ago
Filecoin is poorly executed. Check out Sia and Skynet to see something that actually works.
- shakezula 6y ago
  This seems hyperbolic. Filecoin hasn’t even launched yet and you’re calling it poorly executed. Sia has its own set of problems and trade offs they made, which you’re really glossing over here.
  - anchpop 6y ago
    I'm familiar with Sia but know little about Filecoin, can you elaborate on the tradeoffs between the two?
    - shakezula 6y ago
      Sia records the data on chain (this is a little reductionist) where as filecoin opens up a market for storage and retrieval. Sia requires you to run a full node to interact with the chain and data, filecoin does not. Sia is gearing their product towards a different use case, the most compelling being personal backups imo. Filecoin is attempting to create an ecosystem around theirs with an in depth market around different actions on-chain. They make different trade offs. But it’s incredibly premature to call Filecoin “poorly executed”. The connotation around “look at sia to see something that actually works” completely disregards that there are other decentralized storage providers that “actually work” and that Sia has some key drawbacks too, performance and node management being notable ones.
      - yupyup54133 6y ago
        > Sia records the data on chain (this is a little reductionist) where as filecoin opens up a market for storage and retrieval. Sia requires you to run a full node to interact with the chain and data, filecoin does not. Sia is gearing their product towards a different use case, the most compelling being personal backups imo. Everything you wrote is no longer true of Sia and Skynet. Your information is extremely out of date.
        abrookewood 6y ago
        I think your comment would be better received if you explained how the parent's information was out of date. As it stands, this isn't really helpful.
      - nemo1618 6y ago
        > Sia records the data on chain where as filecoin opens up a market for storage and retrieval I think what you're trying to say is that with Sia, you are responsible for choosing which hosts store your data, whereas with Filecoin, you submit an open contract to the network, and any host that satisfies your terms can claim it. Both platforms have a market, but Sia's is off-chain and Filecoin's is on-chain. (Also, to be clear, Sia doesn't store actual file data on the blockchain itself -- it's been clear since the early days of Bitcoin that storing large amounts of data on-chain isn't viable.) > Sia requires you to run a full node to interact with the chain and data Technically it's always been possible to store and retrieve data without running a full node (you just need a few secret keys, hashes, and IP addresses), but I'll grant that it hasn't been very user-friendly until recently. > performance Can you be more specific?

bergie 6y ago

Back in the early days of IPFS, we had the idea of setting up "pinning rings" between hackerspaces https://github.com/c-base/ipfs-ringpin https://github.com/c-base/ipfs-ringpin

davidgerard 6y ago

The whole idea is still equivalent to BitTorrent with magnet: links. So no, it's not a free file store - if you want to make sure your file is available, you have to seed it, or pay someone else to.