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Allowing other stores doesn't mean you have to use them. You could still have your curated experience on the Apple store. Why do you want to impose your views o

Allowing other stores doesn't mean you have to use them. You could still have your curated experience on the Apple store. Why do you want to impose your views on others?

katbyte 6y ago
Because my parents or none tech friends would use them and then come to me when their phones fucked
sosborn 6y ago
You don't have to use Apple. You could still have your non-curated experience with Android. Why do you want to impose your view on others?
- jpambrun 6y ago
  That's dishonest. The situation is identical on Android. Yes. You can "technically" sideload apps, but there is so many hoops to go through that you really can't distribute your application this way.
  - sidibe 6y ago
    > there is so many hoops to go through that you really can't distribute your application this way One hoop. Turn on one setting, from there it's just clicking to download an apk and approving the dialog box. The real reason it's hard to distribute your application outside of Play store is discovery.
    - jpambrun 6y ago
      There is friction with updates as well. But we don't have to argue since even a giant such as Epic didn't manage to do it with the fortnight franchise..
abc-xyz 6y ago
Why are you, tech-savvy users, forcing Apple to allow third-party app stores/installations, which would no doubt lead to malware like we see on Windows, Macs, and Android? I and my software friends/colleagues might be capable of avoiding this malware (assuming you don’t consider Zoom and such to be malware), but my family and everyone else I know are not. I suspect 70+% of the user base could easily be tricked into installing malware that would spam them with sex notifications, hijack their search engine, etc.
ghostwriter 6y ago
Who is imposing views in this situation? You don't have to use Apple devices as your platform either. Most likely you use it because you benefit from it. Especially these companies that get huge profits from it. The platform was provided to them under certain conditions that they are free to reject at any moment and to walk away if they find that they will benefit more from that decision.
granzymes 6y ago
How much do you want to bet that Epic and Spotify would pull their apps from the App Store or limit the features of their apps on the App Store in order to force people to their preferred platform? This isn't even hypothetical. Spotify already refuses to add features to the Apple Watch.
- izacus 6y ago
  So "then you don't have to use them" right? To turn the Apple argument against your point? You can use a nicely curated app that's safe for you.
  - DevKoala 6y ago
    No, the argument of the poster you are replying to is that these companies are competing and rooting for one or another doesn’t benefit anybody, developers or costumers.
pb7 6y ago
Yes, it does mean that you have to use them (if you already do). If you're a user of Spotify or Tinder and they pull out of the App Store, you now have to follow whatever arbitrary consumer-hostile decisions that will make them the most money since there's no one to tell them otherwise. I like that they have to follow the strict rules in the App Store because I know they want that sweet sweet App Store money and won't pull out unless there's a less strict option. It's like giving auto manufacturers a choice to either sell via dealerships that follow EPA laws or those that don't. Gee, I wonder which one they will go with given the choice?
- jpambrun 6y ago
  Forcing you to use 3rd party store for few apps is somehow worst than forcing everyone to use the Apple store for all apps? This discussion is moot. Apple only has to lower it's cut to cost + a reasonable markup instead of abusing it's position to charge 30%. Then everybody can be happy.
  - pb7 6y ago
    It's not going to be a few apps and they might not even be a few stores. It's going to be a bunch of stores with varying rules and conditions and bars for quality and selection of apps. I'm not interested in that because I don't trust other companies to do the right thing. If you're interested in that, you can use Android. No one is forcing you to use iOS. Also, there is no reason to believe any percentage is too high or too low. 30% is what Apple has charged since day 1 when it had no position whatsoever. You will need to explain exactly at which point in time 30% became problematic.
    - jpambrun 6y ago
      I think it's getting obvious that the situation is untenable. If it's not the US courts, some other court will likely enact changes. In the end it doesn't matter how Apple and Google got to this duopoly position of power, if it was fair or of they had to work hard. The fact that matters is where they are now.
  - 6y ago

Allowing other stores doesn't mean you have to use them. You could still have your curated experience on the Apple store. Why do you want to impose your views on others?

katbyte 6y ago

Because my parents or none tech friends would use them and then come to me when their phones fucked

sosborn 6y ago

You don't have to use Apple. You could still have your non-curated experience with Android. Why do you want to impose your view on others?

jpambrun 6y ago
That's dishonest. The situation is identical on Android. Yes. You can "technically" sideload apps, but there is so many hoops to go through that you really can't distribute your application this way.
- sidibe 6y ago
  > there is so many hoops to go through that you really can't distribute your application this way One hoop. Turn on one setting, from there it's just clicking to download an apk and approving the dialog box. The real reason it's hard to distribute your application outside of Play store is discovery.
  - jpambrun 6y ago
    There is friction with updates as well. But we don't have to argue since even a giant such as Epic didn't manage to do it with the fortnight franchise..

abc-xyz 6y ago

Why are you, tech-savvy users, forcing Apple to allow third-party app stores/installations, which would no doubt lead to malware like we see on Windows, Macs, and Android? I and my software friends/colleagues might be capable of avoiding this malware (assuming you don’t consider Zoom and such to be malware), but my family and everyone else I know are not. I suspect 70+% of the user base could easily be tricked into installing malware that would spam them with sex notifications, hijack their search engine, etc.

ghostwriter 6y ago

Who is imposing views in this situation? You don't have to use Apple devices as your platform either. Most likely you use it because you benefit from it. Especially these companies that get huge profits from it. The platform was provided to them under certain conditions that they are free to reject at any moment and to walk away if they find that they will benefit more from that decision.

granzymes 6y ago

How much do you want to bet that Epic and Spotify would pull their apps from the App Store or limit the features of their apps on the App Store in order to force people to their preferred platform? This isn't even hypothetical. Spotify already refuses to add features to the Apple Watch.

izacus 6y ago
So "then you don't have to use them" right? To turn the Apple argument against your point? You can use a nicely curated app that's safe for you.
- DevKoala 6y ago
  No, the argument of the poster you are replying to is that these companies are competing and rooting for one or another doesn’t benefit anybody, developers or costumers.

pb7 6y ago

Yes, it does mean that you have to use them (if you already do). If you're a user of Spotify or Tinder and they pull out of the App Store, you now have to follow whatever arbitrary consumer-hostile decisions that will make them the most money since there's no one to tell them otherwise. I like that they have to follow the strict rules in the App Store because I know they want that sweet sweet App Store money and won't pull out unless there's a less strict option. It's like giving auto manufacturers a choice to either sell via dealerships that follow EPA laws or those that don't. Gee, I wonder which one they will go with given the choice?

jpambrun 6y ago
Forcing you to use 3rd party store for few apps is somehow worst than forcing everyone to use the Apple store for all apps? This discussion is moot. Apple only has to lower it's cut to cost + a reasonable markup instead of abusing it's position to charge 30%. Then everybody can be happy.
- pb7 6y ago
  It's not going to be a few apps and they might not even be a few stores. It's going to be a bunch of stores with varying rules and conditions and bars for quality and selection of apps. I'm not interested in that because I don't trust other companies to do the right thing. If you're interested in that, you can use Android. No one is forcing you to use iOS. Also, there is no reason to believe any percentage is too high or too low. 30% is what Apple has charged since day 1 when it had no position whatsoever. You will need to explain exactly at which point in time 30% became problematic.
  - jpambrun 6y ago
    I think it's getting obvious that the situation is untenable. If it's not the US courts, some other court will likely enact changes. In the end it doesn't matter how Apple and Google got to this duopoly position of power, if it was fair or of they had to work hard. The fact that matters is where they are now.
- 6y ago