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They control 100% of the apps on an iPhone

by supercanuck 6y ago

zepto 6y ago
Everyone controls 100% of what happens on their own platform. Epic is a monopolist.
- onion2k 6y ago
  Epic has a share of the PC games software market.
  - zepto 6y ago
    Yes - and they control their own platform. Therefore they are a monopolist. /s I clearly don’t actually believe this, but the point is that if Apple is a Monopolist, then so is Epic.
    - shadowgovt 6y ago
      Apple is a vertical monopolist across a large-market-share hardware platform it manufactures and an exclusive system for putting software onto that platform. Epic has a store, but doesn't have a large-market-share hardware platform they control exclusively to go with it. Any machine I can install the Epic app store on, I can also install Steam on.
      - zepto 6y ago
        Apple’s market share isn’t large enough for this argument to work. If people are pushing for a change in framework where no hardware manufacturer is allowed to control what software is installed on their platform, I actually think that might be a good change across the board. The groups targeting Apple don’t care about any such freedom. They simply want more money for themselves without having to invest.
        shadowgovt 6y ago
        Not all vertical monopolies are trusts in need of breaking up. Apple's market share may not be enough for the monopoly to require anti-trust intervention, but definitionally, Apple has structured its hardware and software system on mobile as a vertical monopoly.
    - onion2k 6y ago
      On Epic's game store the product is PC software. Epic don't control how all PC software is sold. On Apple's app store the product is iOS software. Apple do control how all iOS software is sold. Seriously, this isn't complicated...
      - zepto 6y ago
        Sure but it ‘iOS software’ is an arbitrary category. It’s all just software.
        supercanuck 6y ago
        The iOS part makes it “not arbitrary”
        zepto 6y ago
        Nobody is forced to build for iOS.
        supercanuck 6y ago
        It is a Hobson’s Choice
        zepto 6y ago
        I partially agree. I just think Epic’s remedy will make things even worse.
- gsich 6y ago
  In which way? Not on PC, that's for sure.

They control 100% of the apps on an iPhone

zepto 6y ago

Everyone controls 100% of what happens on their own platform. Epic is a monopolist.

onion2k 6y ago
Epic has a share of the PC games software market.
- zepto 6y ago
  Yes - and they control their own platform. Therefore they are a monopolist. /s I clearly don’t actually believe this, but the point is that if Apple is a Monopolist, then so is Epic.
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    Apple is a vertical monopolist across a large-market-share hardware platform it manufactures and an exclusive system for putting software onto that platform. Epic has a store, but doesn't have a large-market-share hardware platform they control exclusively to go with it. Any machine I can install the Epic app store on, I can also install Steam on.
    - zepto 6y ago
      Apple’s market share isn’t large enough for this argument to work. If people are pushing for a change in framework where no hardware manufacturer is allowed to control what software is installed on their platform, I actually think that might be a good change across the board. The groups targeting Apple don’t care about any such freedom. They simply want more money for themselves without having to invest.
      - shadowgovt 6y ago
        Not all vertical monopolies are trusts in need of breaking up. Apple's market share may not be enough for the monopoly to require anti-trust intervention, but definitionally, Apple has structured its hardware and software system on mobile as a vertical monopoly.
  - onion2k 6y ago
    On Epic's game store the product is PC software. Epic don't control how all PC software is sold. On Apple's app store the product is iOS software. Apple do control how all iOS software is sold. Seriously, this isn't complicated...
    - zepto 6y ago
      Sure but it ‘iOS software’ is an arbitrary category. It’s all just software.
      - supercanuck 6y ago
        The iOS part makes it “not arbitrary”
        zepto 6y ago
        Nobody is forced to build for iOS.
        supercanuck 6y ago
        It is a Hobson’s Choice
        zepto 6y ago
        I partially agree. I just think Epic’s remedy will make things even worse.
gsich 6y ago
In which way? Not on PC, that's for sure.