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I take an odd stance here. If the US government did have a part in this, I support what they did (as I don't believe that Iran should have nuclear weapons), bu

by daeken 16y ago

I take an odd stance here. If the US government did have a part in this, I support what they did (as I don't believe that Iran should have nuclear weapons), but not that they did it. While it affects everyone, this is not our war, and I believe that this action on Iran, if it was actually the US, was an act of war, even if not a traditional one. I'm very conflicted here, but at the end of the day I just can not support the US on this, even if it is a problem for every one of us.

shii 16y ago
The cognitive dissonance is a little too thick to parse. Are you saying if another nation other than the USA had done the deed, you'd be cool with it, since it comes to an end that you support?
- daeken 16y ago
  No, I'm saying that the ends don't justify the means. I don't think that Iran should have nuclear capabilities, but that it's not our battle to fight, and thus the US (and any other nation) should not be attacking it.
  - redthrowaway 16y ago
    So, to clarify, you think it's a bad thing if Iran gets nukes, but nobody has the right to try and stop them?
    - rdtsc 16y ago
      Another way to interpret "nobody has the right to stop them" is that officially a "nobody" stops them i.e. a nameless shadow organization with everyone involved having the highest level of clearance and a program having a high degree of compartmentalization.
    - berntb 16y ago
      I would guess his position is: Don't mess with people that routinely murder your civilians, if they get angry. Like Iran's ayatollahs. Not unreasonable, but here we talk about that murderous regime with nuclear weapons, too... :-(
rdtsc 16y ago
> If the US government did have a part in this, I support what they did (as I don't believe that Iran should have nuclear weapons), but not that they did it. So you want someone to do the dirty work without it being your government? (You want to, understandably, feel good about your own country). Well that is exactly what they have done. They didn't sign the object code officially with "Made in the USA" string so no matter what Iran says, officially US can still deny everything -- "Israel probably did it. We will not comment on this. Etc. etc." So your wish came true -- It was done and your government can still officially deny it.

by daeken 16y ago

shii 16y ago

The cognitive dissonance is a little too thick to parse. Are you saying if another nation other than the USA had done the deed, you'd be cool with it, since it comes to an end that you support?

daeken 16y ago
No, I'm saying that the ends don't justify the means. I don't think that Iran should have nuclear capabilities, but that it's not our battle to fight, and thus the US (and any other nation) should not be attacking it.
- redthrowaway 16y ago
  So, to clarify, you think it's a bad thing if Iran gets nukes, but nobody has the right to try and stop them?
  - rdtsc 16y ago
    Another way to interpret "nobody has the right to stop them" is that officially a "nobody" stops them i.e. a nameless shadow organization with everyone involved having the highest level of clearance and a program having a high degree of compartmentalization.
  - berntb 16y ago
    I would guess his position is: Don't mess with people that routinely murder your civilians, if they get angry. Like Iran's ayatollahs. Not unreasonable, but here we talk about that murderous regime with nuclear weapons, too... :-(

rdtsc 16y ago

> If the US government did have a part in this, I support what they did (as I don't believe that Iran should have nuclear weapons), but not that they did it. So you want someone to do the dirty work without it being your government? (You want to, understandably, feel good about your own country). Well that is exactly what they have done. They didn't sign the object code officially with "Made in the USA" string so no matter what Iran says, officially US can still deny everything -- "Israel probably did it. We will not comment on this. Etc. etc." So your wish came true -- It was done and your government can still officially deny it.