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I am going to respectfully disagree with you. Sure, Google and other corporate backers of schema.org are acting in their own self interests. However, having mac

I am going to respectfully disagree with you. Sure, Google and other corporate backers of schema.org are acting in their own self interests. However, having machine readable metadata is a rising tide that floats all boats. I fail to see how small businesses are prevented from using metadata. There is a lot of valid criticism of large tech companies like G and FB. However, it is up to us as individuals to control our own use of technologies, limit ourselves in our interaction and data sharing. Off topic, but I am a happy customer of freedom.to that lets me place what are effectively parental controls on my own use of social media and other digital time wasters. Digital media is dehumanizing unless used very sparingly. I use G and FB services but in a very controlled way for what I think is my own benefit, not theirs.

throw_m239339 6y ago
> I fail to see how small businesses are prevented from using metadata Your answer misses the point, which is that microdata and co profit Google first and foremost who are extracting information from 3rd parties and displaying that information on their own website or crunching them for various purposes without giving back web traffic or a cent. Implementing micro data on public facing websites isn't cost free.
- cxr 6y ago
  > Your answer misses the point Sorry, but the claim was this: > Schema doesn't seem to have any benefit to anyone but Google If that's not "the point", then the comment shouldn't have suggested that it was.
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  - lexicality 6y ago
    > Sorry, but the claim was this: > > Schema doesn't seem to have any benefit to anyone but Google I think the key word is "seem" here. Hypothetically, microdata could help other companies - but I don't know of any that use it. If I have an e-commerce website that sells personalised hats and I add the shipping info microdata to it, who is going to use that other than google?
    - cxr 6y ago
      > who is going to use that other than google? Uh... the human on the other end that Google is relaying the information to...
      - lexicality 6y ago
        I don't think anyone would disagree with the statement "if you rely on Google to obtain all your users, you need to do everything you can to help Google" However, we're in a comment thread that went > > Schema doesn't seem to have any benefit to anyone but Google. > I fail to see how small businesses are prevented from using metadata. The only use case I can think of for small businesses is scraping your rivals and seeing what they're getting up to.
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    - toast0 6y ago
      Duckduckgo has a shopping tab too (although, it's not as functional and comprehensive as googles, in my experience). If there's adoption of the schemas, I'd guess all the shopling crawler sites will use the data. If you expect to show up generally favorably in a shopping comparison, having shipping data available would seem to be useful, since people may not want to purchase without an idea of when they'd get the items. Of course, if you don't get purchases through those channels now, adding shipping data probably won't help.
throwaway2048 6y ago
The Google info box shows Google is perfectly happy to take content, uncredited, and deny your site clicks. No point enabling that behavior for site owners.

throw_m239339 6y ago

> I fail to see how small businesses are prevented from using metadata Your answer misses the point, which is that microdata and co profit Google first and foremost who are extracting information from 3rd parties and displaying that information on their own website or crunching them for various purposes without giving back web traffic or a cent. Implementing micro data on public facing websites isn't cost free.

cxr 6y ago
> Your answer misses the point Sorry, but the claim was this: > Schema doesn't seem to have any benefit to anyone but Google If that's not "the point", then the comment shouldn't have suggested that it was.
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- lexicality 6y ago
  > Sorry, but the claim was this: > > Schema doesn't seem to have any benefit to anyone but Google I think the key word is "seem" here. Hypothetically, microdata could help other companies - but I don't know of any that use it. If I have an e-commerce website that sells personalised hats and I add the shipping info microdata to it, who is going to use that other than google?
  - cxr 6y ago
    > who is going to use that other than google? Uh... the human on the other end that Google is relaying the information to...
    - lexicality 6y ago
      I don't think anyone would disagree with the statement "if you rely on Google to obtain all your users, you need to do everything you can to help Google" However, we're in a comment thread that went > > Schema doesn't seem to have any benefit to anyone but Google. > I fail to see how small businesses are prevented from using metadata. The only use case I can think of for small businesses is scraping your rivals and seeing what they're getting up to.
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  - toast0 6y ago
    Duckduckgo has a shopping tab too (although, it's not as functional and comprehensive as googles, in my experience). If there's adoption of the schemas, I'd guess all the shopling crawler sites will use the data. If you expect to show up generally favorably in a shopping comparison, having shipping data available would seem to be useful, since people may not want to purchase without an idea of when they'd get the items. Of course, if you don't get purchases through those channels now, adding shipping data probably won't help.

throwaway2048 6y ago

The Google info box shows Google is perfectly happy to take content, uncredited, and deny your site clicks. No point enabling that behavior for site owners.