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Ok I will bit, I want to build this and redistribute in Africa, I lack technical knowledge to do this, what is best approach?

by netdur 6y ago

janekm 6y ago
Talk to a Chinese factory on what’s the lowest price they’ll sell you the hearing aids for that they already make at near-cost prices. The article is literally a “my first soldering project” combining an OTS microphone amp module with an R-C high pass filter. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rechargeable-Digital-Hearing-Aid-Severe-Loss-BTE-ITE-Ear-Aids-Voice-Amplifier/202966707766 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rechargeable-Digital-Hearing-Aid-...
- janekm 6y ago
  The $1 figure in the headline is clickbait as it’s only the cost of components for the PCB. Add the PCB + mechanical components + battery + plastic enclosure + assembly + testing + factory margin + overhead and it would be a miracle to come under the cost of existing low-cost hearing aids.
  - anamexis 6y ago
    That's not true, the $1 figure for all of the parts. Here's the original, search for "Table 1" for the BOM https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0238922 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
    - jononor 6y ago
      Good luck sourcing 3d-printed casings at 0.06 USD, or PCB at 0.05 USD a piece, even in 10k or higher scale. And of course in addition to the BOM comes production costs.
      - anamexis 6y ago
        The casing is just a rectangular plastic box with some holes in it, I'm sure you could get some made at that price. Even if the PCB costs 5x the quoted price, you're still rounding down to $1. That said, I have no idea what production costs are for something like this.
        janekm 6y ago
        I can understand how it may seem that way when a plastic takeaway box costs $0.1, why should this cost any more... The article's cost assumption is just based on the cost of the raw plastic material, which is hilarious (3D printer time doesn't really come free). But in more realistic mass production you'd make a mold, and the cost of the mold is dependent on how many "shots" you want to get out of it. Making plastic parts at the cost of takeaway boxes requires expensive high-volume molds. At 10k volume you'd be happy to get the box for $1 including amortised mold cost (though in reality the box could be much smaller, reducing mold & material costs some).
        jononor 6y ago
        The casing is about 2 hours 3d-printing a piece. That is 20'000 printer hours for 10k units, giving a machine-time cost of 0.025 USD (including plastic). That is off by a factor of 10-100, at least. For injection molding, one would need to make the molds. That would cost probably more than 1000 USD, excluding engineering costs (the design is not injection molding ready). Amortizing the mold costs over 10k units alone would be 0.1 USD per unit. Then comes actually making the parts. Maybe 0.5 USD is doable. I checked an off-the-shelf casing (no custom molds needed) it was quoted at 0.20 USD at 1K units - but this then needs to be CNC machined on 2 sides to add the necessary openings. Probably 1 USD a piece, at the least. The costs in the scientific article does make any sense. It is really sad to see that it gets through peer review so easily... I mean OK that the scientist does not really know what things cost to produce, but then they need to consult someone who does! Ask a manufacturing or even a design house for a cost estimate. Quality check your numbers at least a little bit.
        jononor 6y ago
        I would estimate the PCB costs, excluding Assembly time, to be 10x the quoted price.
    - tyingq 6y ago
      The BOM prices are just wrong. You can find the volume pricing for the MAX9814 and MAX98306. Those two alone add up to more than $1.
- person_of_color 6y ago
  Reminds of the clock boy who designed CPUs
grenoire 6y ago
Step one is to come in contact with an electrical/industrial engineer who will be able to assist you in the manufacturing aspects.
aaron695 6y ago
Say you want a order of 10 million made up for a name brand company to a Chinese company. Send in the plans for them to check. Put on an expensive looking logo and paperwork. Done.
pkphilip 6y ago
Talk to someone in Africa who works with repairing mobile phones, laptops etc. They will have enough skills to assemble such a device. Recruit one of them or work with of them to make the devices in bulk.
- sokoloff 6y ago
  Repair and bulk assembly are substantially different expertise. Almost no matter how cheap the local labor is, doing automated assembly with manual finishing is probably going to be way cheaper in China (especially since the supply chain for components is well established there).

Ok I will bit, I want to build this and redistribute in Africa, I lack technical knowledge to do this, what is best approach?

by netdur 6y ago

Ok I will bit, I want to build this and redistribute in Africa, I lack technical knowledge to do this, what is best approach?

janekm 6y ago

Talk to a Chinese factory on what’s the lowest price they’ll sell you the hearing aids for that they already make at near-cost prices. The article is literally a “my first soldering project” combining an OTS microphone amp module with an R-C high pass filter. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rechargeable-Digital-Hearing-Aid-Severe-Loss-BTE-ITE-Ear-Aids-Voice-Amplifier/202966707766 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rechargeable-Digital-Hearing-Aid-...

janekm 6y ago
The $1 figure in the headline is clickbait as it’s only the cost of components for the PCB. Add the PCB + mechanical components + battery + plastic enclosure + assembly + testing + factory margin + overhead and it would be a miracle to come under the cost of existing low-cost hearing aids.
- anamexis 6y ago
  That's not true, the $1 figure for all of the parts. Here's the original, search for "Table 1" for the BOM https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0238922 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
  - jononor 6y ago
    Good luck sourcing 3d-printed casings at 0.06 USD, or PCB at 0.05 USD a piece, even in 10k or higher scale. And of course in addition to the BOM comes production costs.
    - anamexis 6y ago
      The casing is just a rectangular plastic box with some holes in it, I'm sure you could get some made at that price. Even if the PCB costs 5x the quoted price, you're still rounding down to $1. That said, I have no idea what production costs are for something like this.
      - janekm 6y ago
        I can understand how it may seem that way when a plastic takeaway box costs $0.1, why should this cost any more... The article's cost assumption is just based on the cost of the raw plastic material, which is hilarious (3D printer time doesn't really come free). But in more realistic mass production you'd make a mold, and the cost of the mold is dependent on how many "shots" you want to get out of it. Making plastic parts at the cost of takeaway boxes requires expensive high-volume molds. At 10k volume you'd be happy to get the box for $1 including amortised mold cost (though in reality the box could be much smaller, reducing mold & material costs some).
      - jononor 6y ago
        The casing is about 2 hours 3d-printing a piece. That is 20'000 printer hours for 10k units, giving a machine-time cost of 0.025 USD (including plastic). That is off by a factor of 10-100, at least. For injection molding, one would need to make the molds. That would cost probably more than 1000 USD, excluding engineering costs (the design is not injection molding ready). Amortizing the mold costs over 10k units alone would be 0.1 USD per unit. Then comes actually making the parts. Maybe 0.5 USD is doable. I checked an off-the-shelf casing (no custom molds needed) it was quoted at 0.20 USD at 1K units - but this then needs to be CNC machined on 2 sides to add the necessary openings. Probably 1 USD a piece, at the least. The costs in the scientific article does make any sense. It is really sad to see that it gets through peer review so easily... I mean OK that the scientist does not really know what things cost to produce, but then they need to consult someone who does! Ask a manufacturing or even a design house for a cost estimate. Quality check your numbers at least a little bit.
      - jononor 6y ago
        I would estimate the PCB costs, excluding Assembly time, to be 10x the quoted price.
  - tyingq 6y ago
    The BOM prices are just wrong. You can find the volume pricing for the MAX9814 and MAX98306. Those two alone add up to more than $1.
person_of_color 6y ago
Reminds of the clock boy who designed CPUs

grenoire 6y ago

Step one is to come in contact with an electrical/industrial engineer who will be able to assist you in the manufacturing aspects.

aaron695 6y ago

Say you want a order of 10 million made up for a name brand company to a Chinese company. Send in the plans for them to check. Put on an expensive looking logo and paperwork. Done.

pkphilip 6y ago

Talk to someone in Africa who works with repairing mobile phones, laptops etc. They will have enough skills to assemble such a device. Recruit one of them or work with of them to make the devices in bulk.

sokoloff 6y ago
Repair and bulk assembly are substantially different expertise. Almost no matter how cheap the local labor is, doing automated assembly with manual finishing is probably going to be way cheaper in China (especially since the supply chain for components is well established there).