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The librarian analogy is a little stretched, but I do expect librarians to properly put fiction books in the fiction section and nonfiction books in the nonfict

The librarian analogy is a little stretched, but I do expect librarians to properly put fiction books in the fiction section and nonfiction books in the nonfiction section.

sshine 6y ago
Yes, in order to stretch the surveillance analogy properly, the library itself is a living organism and you're inside of its digestive system, and it has eyes on the inside, and you're upset that it's watching you while digesting you.
sokoloff 6y ago
In which of those sections do they put the Bible? There’s also plenty of content on social media that isn’t cleanly fiction or non-fiction.
- pjc50 6y ago
  Dewey Decimal category 220 "Religion".
  - quesera 6y ago
    If my elementary school training was correct, that makes the Bible "non-fiction". "Non-fiction has numbers", we were told. I'm not sure Dewey attempts to separate fact from fiction -- just to categorize the author's intent (or assertion). In addition to the Christian Bible, the "non-fiction" section also contains religious texts that refute it. And New Age crystal vibration harmonic ecstasy stuff. And Dianetics. The wide disagreement on "fiction" vs "non-fiction" is probably not a solvable problem. See also: a world map, at any time in recorded history.
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  - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
    As an atheist, putting the Bible in non-fiction makes sense to me because it's a true statement about the beliefs of a certain people. Whatever your religion, few people would consider reading the Bible to be "story time" in the same sense as Harry Potter, A Tale of Two Cities, or even something like The Odyssey. You're either studying the Bible to learn about God, or you're studying it to learn about other people. That's not to say the line isn't murky, but that's true of any human classification system.
    - WillDaSilva 6y ago
      > no one reading the Bible is settling down for story time Speak for yourself. Several atheists including myself read some of the Bible for our book club. In particular the wisdom literature has value as a fiction removed from the religious context. Beyond that, the Bible is the earliest work we have which exhibits several tropes, and western art has been heavily influenced by it.
  - MikeTheGreat 6y ago
    Interestingly, the Dewey Decimal system is used to organize nonfiction books. Fictional works are organized alphabetically by the author's last name
- nobody9999 6y ago
  >In which of those sections do they put the Bible? There’s also plenty of content on social media that isn’t cleanly fiction or non-fiction. It's pretty clear that the anthology/compendium often termed "The Bible" is mostly myth and retellings of oral histories that date back many millenia, with some of those incorporating historical events (think docudrama[0]). As such, I'd posit that in a vacuum, such works should be placed in the "Historical Fiction" section. However, since there are quite a few of these works (the Hindu Vedas, the Tripitaka, the Quran, etc.), it seems that the current classification (Religion) is reasonable. That said, not specifically calling it "fiction" doesn't make it non-fiction. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docudrama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docudrama
- marcus_holmes 6y ago
  Again we come back to the question "who gets to decide what is true?" - still the single most important political question of our age (imho).
dutch3000 6y ago
librarians are in no way like SM corporations. SM corporations are like digital drug dealers, doing anything possible to increase the eyeball time on the app. they achieve this by any means necessary. even at the cost of further radicalizing the thoughts/opinions of the masses. everything being discussed here threatens their very existence and they know it.

The librarian analogy is a little stretched, but I do expect librarians to properly put fiction books in the fiction section and nonfiction books in the nonfiction section.

sshine 6y ago

Yes, in order to stretch the surveillance analogy properly, the library itself is a living organism and you're inside of its digestive system, and it has eyes on the inside, and you're upset that it's watching you while digesting you.

sokoloff 6y ago

In which of those sections do they put the Bible? There’s also plenty of content on social media that isn’t cleanly fiction or non-fiction.

pjc50 6y ago
Dewey Decimal category 220 "Religion".
- quesera 6y ago
  If my elementary school training was correct, that makes the Bible "non-fiction". "Non-fiction has numbers", we were told. I'm not sure Dewey attempts to separate fact from fiction -- just to categorize the author's intent (or assertion). In addition to the Christian Bible, the "non-fiction" section also contains religious texts that refute it. And New Age crystal vibration harmonic ecstasy stuff. And Dianetics. The wide disagreement on "fiction" vs "non-fiction" is probably not a solvable problem. See also: a world map, at any time in recorded history.
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- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  As an atheist, putting the Bible in non-fiction makes sense to me because it's a true statement about the beliefs of a certain people. Whatever your religion, few people would consider reading the Bible to be "story time" in the same sense as Harry Potter, A Tale of Two Cities, or even something like The Odyssey. You're either studying the Bible to learn about God, or you're studying it to learn about other people. That's not to say the line isn't murky, but that's true of any human classification system.
  - WillDaSilva 6y ago
    > no one reading the Bible is settling down for story time Speak for yourself. Several atheists including myself read some of the Bible for our book club. In particular the wisdom literature has value as a fiction removed from the religious context. Beyond that, the Bible is the earliest work we have which exhibits several tropes, and western art has been heavily influenced by it.
- MikeTheGreat 6y ago
  Interestingly, the Dewey Decimal system is used to organize nonfiction books. Fictional works are organized alphabetically by the author's last name
nobody9999 6y ago
>In which of those sections do they put the Bible? There’s also plenty of content on social media that isn’t cleanly fiction or non-fiction. It's pretty clear that the anthology/compendium often termed "The Bible" is mostly myth and retellings of oral histories that date back many millenia, with some of those incorporating historical events (think docudrama[0]). As such, I'd posit that in a vacuum, such works should be placed in the "Historical Fiction" section. However, since there are quite a few of these works (the Hindu Vedas, the Tripitaka, the Quran, etc.), it seems that the current classification (Religion) is reasonable. That said, not specifically calling it "fiction" doesn't make it non-fiction. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docudrama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docudrama
marcus_holmes 6y ago
Again we come back to the question "who gets to decide what is true?" - still the single most important political question of our age (imho).

dutch3000 6y ago

librarians are in no way like SM corporations. SM corporations are like digital drug dealers, doing anything possible to increase the eyeball time on the app. they achieve this by any means necessary. even at the cost of further radicalizing the thoughts/opinions of the masses. everything being discussed here threatens their very existence and they know it.