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I suggested it, because it would be the correct way to do it, and a good way to realize you’re asking for something extreme. The social pressures you’re advoca

I suggested it, because it would be the correct way to do it, and a good way to realize you’re asking for something extreme. The social pressures you’re advocating are not a weaker form of serving justice. They are stronger. They circumvent our legal system, they’re arbitrary, they’re simply mob justice. No one can keep them in check and indeed they frequently go too far. This is not ok.

CamperBob2 6y ago
That's rich, considering the "mob" is only asking for the same rights you and I have. It sounds like you've made up your mind on this issue (or, more likely, had it made up for you as a child), so we'll probably have to agree to disagree.
- read_if_gay_ 6y ago
  The point is that the means used to get those rights are harassing the family members of the opposition and getting them fired. No matter how noble your goal, this is just not how politics is supposed to work in a healthy nation. At all. Quite the opposite, this is analogous to how politics worked when the Soviets killed millions and millions of their own people in order to attain a communist utopia. Do you not see that? > or, more likely, had it made up for you as a child I think I've articulated quite precisely why I have my opinions.
  - CamperBob2 6y ago
    Quite the opposite, this is analogous to how politics worked when the Soviets killed millions and millions of their own people in order to attain a communist utopia. Do you not see that? Yes, I see that misusing government power to enforce unequal treatment for a disfavored subgroup is exactly like what the Soviets did. Now that you've steamrolled your own position more effectively than I managed to, we're done here.
    - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
      > misusing government power to enforce unequal treatment for a disfavored subgroup is exactly like what the Soviets did. It is, which is why Proposition 8 was rejected. > Now that you've steamrolled your own position more effectively than I managed to, we're done here. Dude, are you seriously going to be that snide while poorly strawmanning my argument? I’m not at all saying we need to stop gay marriage via govt. I’m saying cancel culture sucks.
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- stale2002 6y ago
  > only asking for the same rights you and I have Well, no. The mob, in this specific case, was trying to get people fired. Which is what happened.
  - CamperBob2 6y ago
    The mob ultimately has no power, while the government does. Whoever uses force first -- or in the case of Proposition 8, attempts to -- is the bad guy. It really is that simple. Don't want a culture war? Don't start one.
    - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
      There's a difference between using force within a legal framework (Proposition 8), and using extrajudicial force (cancel culture). And that difference is that a sane instance (the law) can reject you if you're being insane, which did happen in the case of Proposition 8, but can't happen with cancel culture. So you're justifying the usage of extrajudicial force with an already rejected attempt to use judicial force. And you think that's fair, and you're the good guy.
      - CamperBob2 6y ago
        'Cancel culture' isn't force, it's culture. That's why they call it 'cancel culture', and not 'cancel force.' Funny, it turns out a lot of people would rather not do business with racists, misogynists, homophobes, neo-Nazis, and assorted religious bigots, whodathunkit. Someone from the government showing up with a gun and telling me I can't marry a consenting adult of my choice is a much better example of the use of force. But you knew that. [1] 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
        read_if_gay_ 6y ago
        > 'Cancel culture' isn't force, it's culture. That's why they call it 'cancel culture', and not 'cancel force.' Funny, it turns out a lot of people would rather not do business with racists, misogynists, homophobes, neo-Nazis, and assorted religious bigots, whodathunkit. Don't do business, sure, but harassing your political opponent's family and getting them fired still is culture and not force? And it can't even be both? And the best argument you can come up with is that it's not literally called "cancel force"? That seems reasonable. > Someone from the government showing up with a gun and telling me I can't marry a consenting adult of my choice Show me just one example of this happening today. Just one. You're grasping at straws here arguing based on arbitrarily defined semantics, things that never happened and randomly accusing me of trolling (that one's especially low), while ignoring the central point. To quote you, sounds like you've made up your mind on this issue.

CamperBob2 6y ago

That's rich, considering the "mob" is only asking for the same rights you and I have. It sounds like you've made up your mind on this issue (or, more likely, had it made up for you as a child), so we'll probably have to agree to disagree.

read_if_gay_ 6y ago
The point is that the means used to get those rights are harassing the family members of the opposition and getting them fired. No matter how noble your goal, this is just not how politics is supposed to work in a healthy nation. At all. Quite the opposite, this is analogous to how politics worked when the Soviets killed millions and millions of their own people in order to attain a communist utopia. Do you not see that? > or, more likely, had it made up for you as a child I think I've articulated quite precisely why I have my opinions.
- CamperBob2 6y ago
  Quite the opposite, this is analogous to how politics worked when the Soviets killed millions and millions of their own people in order to attain a communist utopia. Do you not see that? Yes, I see that misusing government power to enforce unequal treatment for a disfavored subgroup is exactly like what the Soviets did. Now that you've steamrolled your own position more effectively than I managed to, we're done here.
  - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
    > misusing government power to enforce unequal treatment for a disfavored subgroup is exactly like what the Soviets did. It is, which is why Proposition 8 was rejected. > Now that you've steamrolled your own position more effectively than I managed to, we're done here. Dude, are you seriously going to be that snide while poorly strawmanning my argument? I’m not at all saying we need to stop gay marriage via govt. I’m saying cancel culture sucks.
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stale2002 6y ago
> only asking for the same rights you and I have Well, no. The mob, in this specific case, was trying to get people fired. Which is what happened.
- CamperBob2 6y ago
  The mob ultimately has no power, while the government does. Whoever uses force first -- or in the case of Proposition 8, attempts to -- is the bad guy. It really is that simple. Don't want a culture war? Don't start one.
  - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
    There's a difference between using force within a legal framework (Proposition 8), and using extrajudicial force (cancel culture). And that difference is that a sane instance (the law) can reject you if you're being insane, which did happen in the case of Proposition 8, but can't happen with cancel culture. So you're justifying the usage of extrajudicial force with an already rejected attempt to use judicial force. And you think that's fair, and you're the good guy.
    - CamperBob2 6y ago
      'Cancel culture' isn't force, it's culture. That's why they call it 'cancel culture', and not 'cancel force.' Funny, it turns out a lot of people would rather not do business with racists, misogynists, homophobes, neo-Nazis, and assorted religious bigots, whodathunkit. Someone from the government showing up with a gun and telling me I can't marry a consenting adult of my choice is a much better example of the use of force. But you knew that. [1] 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
      - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
        > 'Cancel culture' isn't force, it's culture. That's why they call it 'cancel culture', and not 'cancel force.' Funny, it turns out a lot of people would rather not do business with racists, misogynists, homophobes, neo-Nazis, and assorted religious bigots, whodathunkit. Don't do business, sure, but harassing your political opponent's family and getting them fired still is culture and not force? And it can't even be both? And the best argument you can come up with is that it's not literally called "cancel force"? That seems reasonable. > Someone from the government showing up with a gun and telling me I can't marry a consenting adult of my choice Show me just one example of this happening today. Just one. You're grasping at straws here arguing based on arbitrarily defined semantics, things that never happened and randomly accusing me of trolling (that one's especially low), while ignoring the central point. To quote you, sounds like you've made up your mind on this issue.