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hey fellow sociologist! the one that imho is really missing is "work", from smith to marx till the present day it has been a cornerstone of social science

by kome 6y ago

de_watcher 6y ago
Philosophers often miss that one.
- 082349872349872 6y ago
  https://existentialcomics.com/comic/359 https://existentialcomics.com/comic/359 see also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551582 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551582 compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humboldtian_model_of_higher_education#Principles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humboldtian_model_of_higher_ed...
082349872349872 6y ago
What do you two sociologists think of the "fear" entry? Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24399254 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24399254 and, on the Sparta/1984 nexus: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24069572 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24069572 (Now I'm curious as to what specific fear, whether more phobian or more deimosian, had a temple at Sparta.) Edit: Phobos. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2008.01.0091%3Achapter%3D9%3Asection%3D1 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%...
jerkstate 6y ago
weird how one of the messages we keep hearing is that automation is just around the corner and everyone needs to be paid to not work. with the breakdown of this and many of the others in the list, it seems to me like someone understands this and doesn't want a cohesive society.
- em-bee 6y ago
  agreed, though there needn't be a conflict. with automation freeing us from mundane labor, we could actually focus on doing meaningful work. work that advances our society globally, that helps to eliminate poverty and lack of education, etc. there is plenty of work to go around that, can't be automated which would allow us to create bonds in our society in a way that no factory work could achieve
jboynyc 6y ago
Who'd've thunk, two sociologists on the orange website! I thought about including Marx, but it seemed a bit complicated, because there is no trans-historical conception of social cohesion in his work. Marx arguably thinks the glue of bourgeois society is ideology. Work is the glue of a class-in-itself, which is not coterminous with "society" under capitalism.

hey fellow sociologist! the one that imho is really missing is "work", from smith to marx till the present day it has been a cornerstone of social science

by kome 6y ago

hey fellow sociologist! the one that imho is really missing is "work", from smith to marx till the present day it has been a cornerstone of social science

de_watcher 6y ago

Philosophers often miss that one.

082349872349872 6y ago
https://existentialcomics.com/comic/359 https://existentialcomics.com/comic/359 see also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551582 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551582 compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humboldtian_model_of_higher_education#Principles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humboldtian_model_of_higher_ed...

082349872349872 6y ago

What do you two sociologists think of the "fear" entry? Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24399254 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24399254 and, on the Sparta/1984 nexus: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24069572 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24069572 (Now I'm curious as to what specific fear, whether more phobian or more deimosian, had a temple at Sparta.) Edit: Phobos. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2008.01.0091%3Achapter%3D9%3Asection%3D1 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%...

jerkstate 6y ago

weird how one of the messages we keep hearing is that automation is just around the corner and everyone needs to be paid to not work. with the breakdown of this and many of the others in the list, it seems to me like someone understands this and doesn't want a cohesive society.

em-bee 6y ago
agreed, though there needn't be a conflict. with automation freeing us from mundane labor, we could actually focus on doing meaningful work. work that advances our society globally, that helps to eliminate poverty and lack of education, etc. there is plenty of work to go around that, can't be automated which would allow us to create bonds in our society in a way that no factory work could achieve

jboynyc 6y ago

Who'd've thunk, two sociologists on the orange website! I thought about including Marx, but it seemed a bit complicated, because there is no trans-historical conception of social cohesion in his work. Marx arguably thinks the glue of bourgeois society is ideology. Work is the glue of a class-in-itself, which is not coterminous with "society" under capitalism.