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> Losing my job over them definitely dissuades me from sharing them in the future. This impedes my freedom of speech. Losing my friends over calling them assho

> Losing my job over them definitely dissuades me from sharing them in the future. This impedes my freedom of speech. Losing my friends over calling them assholes definitely dissuades me from doing so in the future. This impedes my freedom of speech. See how nonsensical that is? Just because something makes you less likely to speak your mind doesn't mean it's impeding your freedoms. You have the freedoms to call your friends assholes. They have the freedom not to associate with you anymore (this is called freedom of association, and is part of freedom of speech). That freedom of association is the same freedom your employer is exercising when you make a racist joke and then fire you. You had the freedom to make the joke, they had the freedom not to associate with you after you did. No ones freedoms were limited.

heartbeats 6y ago
Does freedom of association give my employer the right to fire me because I'm black? Is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 unconstitutional?
- ilikehurdles 6y ago
  Is there a point to any of these ridiculous questions? Do you remember what the argument was about? Are you implying that black people choose to be black like someone saying racist, firable things at work chooses to say those things?
  - heartbeats 6y ago
    Yes, it's about when freedom of speech trumps freedom of association. If the freedom of association is inviolable, why can't I put up a sign outside my store saying "NO BLACKS"? If it's about someone making statements at work, would you accept if a business owner said that they'll fire you if you're Jewish, but let you work there as long as they don't know about it?
    - ilikehurdles 6y ago
      Why are you advocating for a world where you’re never held to account for your misdeeds (so long as you can link them to some form of speech)? Why do you believe everyone should be required to tolerate you for being vile to others?

heartbeats 6y ago

Does freedom of association give my employer the right to fire me because I'm black? Is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 unconstitutional?

ilikehurdles 6y ago
Is there a point to any of these ridiculous questions? Do you remember what the argument was about? Are you implying that black people choose to be black like someone saying racist, firable things at work chooses to say those things?
- heartbeats 6y ago
  Yes, it's about when freedom of speech trumps freedom of association. If the freedom of association is inviolable, why can't I put up a sign outside my store saying "NO BLACKS"? If it's about someone making statements at work, would you accept if a business owner said that they'll fire you if you're Jewish, but let you work there as long as they don't know about it?
  - ilikehurdles 6y ago
    Why are you advocating for a world where you’re never held to account for your misdeeds (so long as you can link them to some form of speech)? Why do you believe everyone should be required to tolerate you for being vile to others?