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> The places that haven't locked down aren't looking good. Really? Sweden looks great. South Dakota looks great. Not sure what data you're looking at. > Yes,

> The places that haven't locked down aren't looking good. Really? Sweden looks great. South Dakota looks great. Not sure what data you're looking at. > Yes, I am desperate trying to prove Trump wrong by not putting a temporary ~3 month Trump administration regulation on the same level as all the post 9/11 measures. Absolutely. We've been locked down for half a year. Maybe you don't live in California but it's still full draconian lockdown here, and our state guidelines are crafted such that it is literally impossible for us to re-open. My point about the Trump thing, not to de-rail, is that the Democrats want to "prove him wrong" for "minimizing" the virus, and they seem to think that locking down indefinitely and torching the economy / public health will make it look like Trump's fault and help them win. That's just my theory. But note that the problem here psychologically is far worse than just partisan politics, it's a defect in the way humans evaluate risk and particularly it's a problem with a globally connected world. Social media allows mind viruses to spread like crazy, and COVID-19 is the deadliest mind virus we've ever encountered. As far as the physical SARS-2 virus, it's pretty wimpy for people under the age of 70.

anarazel 6y ago
> Sweden looks great. They have higher death rates than their neighboring countries. While the economic outcome doesn't appear to be better than the surrounding countries. > South Dakota looks great. https://covidtracking.com/data/state/south-dakota https://covidtracking.com/data/state/south-dakota Look at the hospitalizations. No, they're not doing good. They actually have one of the highest infection rates. And as you can see the deaths are increasing too. > We've been locked down for half a year. Maybe you don't live in California but it's still full draconian lockdown here, and our state guidelines are crafted such that it is literally impossible for us to re-open. I do live in CA. The last time the state started to reopen, with looser guidelines, the infection rates grew substantially. Deaths/day stayed pretty high for a long time, and is only slowly shrinking. Also, how does that apply to my comment upthread?
- anarazel 6y ago
  >> Maybe you don't live in California but it's still full draconian lockdown here Also, draconian? What? In SF restaurants with outside seating are open and populated. State and national parks are largely open (unless closed due to fire / smoke hazard). A lot of stores are open for indoor shopping.
- chrisco255 6y ago
  They have a better death rate than half of Europe. They're not even in the top 10 and better yet they aren't getting a second wave. They were down to 13 hospitalizations last week. Never shut down. Never mandated masks. It really is true that for people under 50 the odds of dying of Covid are less than 1 in 10,000. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/ There are only 12 states doing better on a death rate perspective than South Dakota. And they've been 5 times more effective at preventing deaths than New York. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi... I would say if they get a spike almost 6 months after literally never shutting down anything, they've done extremely well either way. No state should care about infection rates among healthy populations. That's normal and expected and necessary to reach herd immunity. Hospitalizations would be alarming but hospitalizations have plummeted nationwide even as case counts have risen. We are already well within range of an ordinary flu season as far as excess deaths goes: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

anarazel 6y ago

> Sweden looks great. They have higher death rates than their neighboring countries. While the economic outcome doesn't appear to be better than the surrounding countries. > South Dakota looks great. https://covidtracking.com/data/state/south-dakota https://covidtracking.com/data/state/south-dakota Look at the hospitalizations. No, they're not doing good. They actually have one of the highest infection rates. And as you can see the deaths are increasing too. > We've been locked down for half a year. Maybe you don't live in California but it's still full draconian lockdown here, and our state guidelines are crafted such that it is literally impossible for us to re-open. I do live in CA. The last time the state started to reopen, with looser guidelines, the infection rates grew substantially. Deaths/day stayed pretty high for a long time, and is only slowly shrinking. Also, how does that apply to my comment upthread?

anarazel 6y ago
>> Maybe you don't live in California but it's still full draconian lockdown here Also, draconian? What? In SF restaurants with outside seating are open and populated. State and national parks are largely open (unless closed due to fire / smoke hazard). A lot of stores are open for indoor shopping.
chrisco255 6y ago
They have a better death rate than half of Europe. They're not even in the top 10 and better yet they aren't getting a second wave. They were down to 13 hospitalizations last week. Never shut down. Never mandated masks. It really is true that for people under 50 the odds of dying of Covid are less than 1 in 10,000. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/ There are only 12 states doing better on a death rate perspective than South Dakota. And they've been 5 times more effective at preventing deaths than New York. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi... I would say if they get a spike almost 6 months after literally never shutting down anything, they've done extremely well either way. No state should care about infection rates among healthy populations. That's normal and expected and necessary to reach herd immunity. Hospitalizations would be alarming but hospitalizations have plummeted nationwide even as case counts have risen. We are already well within range of an ordinary flu season as far as excess deaths goes: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm