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What's the audience like on those? I assume pretty small compared to YouTube.
by wlll 6y ago
What's the audience like on those? I assume pretty small compared to YouTube.
- laksdjfkasljdf 6y agoAnd you can be part of the solution! Isn't this nice?
- katbyte 6y agobeing part of the solution doesn't pay the bills
- deadalus 6y agoLBRY is viable for creators and the videos cannot be taken down permanently : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jyhy4Bcqgg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jyhy4Bcqgg
- vaccinator 6y agoDoesn't https://lbry.tv/ https://lbry.tv/ host this video?
- j4nt4b 6y agoPaying the bills by being part of the problem is a personal decision
- ultrarunner 6y agoNeither does being de-platformed.
- lucb1e 6y agoDoes it have to? Can we not have content made by whoever feels like it, like many of the articles popular on HN are not for profit, none of the (often insightful) comments are, the plethora of games and tools people create and share for free, etc.? For professional videos, until there is a law that specifies that a monopoly (currently Google YouTube does seem like the only place where money making is possible) has to follow certain rules, they can throw you out for virtually any reason and it's not a secure way of making a living. So maybe it should be, but it currently isn't, and we can't currently force them to be. Other platforms may not significantly help one to pay bills, I'm just wondering if that might not be okay given the sheer number of people who seem to have fun doing this. If not, we should make new laws.
- eropple 6y ago> Can we not have content made by whoever feels like it Sure! We can definitely have charity content. Most of the content out there is. Somebody's paying for most of the content most people want to watch, though.
- lucb1e 6y agoYou mean paying bandwidth-wise? Because if you want bittorrent... we can do bittorrent. Bandwidth doesn't need to cost anything and can be made to prefer intra-ISP traffic quite easily. Better for everyone.
- eropple 6y agoI mean paying for its existence; most of the content people consume is paid-for content whether by advertising (in one form or another) or direct support via Patreon and similar. And the reasons for this are ones I know firsthand; I am a video producer as well as a software developer. I could not afford to do the former without being the latter. Building a A reasonable-quality single-camera A/V rig that a video producer would actually want to work with is comfortably in the middle four digits. Three cameras, low five. That money must come from somewhere, as must the rationalization for the time in a world as productized and generally fucked as ours, and "that's OK, art and media can just be done by wildly wealthy dilettantes in their spare time" is a shitty world.
- Igelau 6y agoI like to imagine what the trade names of the future are going to be. When you meet someone on the Mars colony whose last name is Tuber and that bit of Snapple (best stuff off earth!) Cap wisdom perks up in your brain: "why, their great-grandpappy must have been one of the YouTube personalities on the first ship!" I think it was prompted by seeing the name "Hodler" once and thinking it sounded like the cryptocurrency equivalent of Wainwright or Cooper.
- vaccinator 6y agoAfter the initial setup, it doesn't cost much to post your videos on all platforms
- BGZq7 6y agoYou can post to YouTube and also another platform, then on Patreon/Twitter/Facebook/etc always link the other platform instead of YouTube. That way you would still be discoverable on YouTube, but hopefully get some amount of traffic funneled over to the other platform in case YouTube kicks you off.
- bsder 6y agoGetting taken down on YouTube means you have an audience of zero. So, bigger than that.
- wlll 6y agoYou're technically correct, but that's not really relevant. 0 < 1 < 780,000 for sure, but that's also the difference between making a living and not. YouTube, like it or not, is the engine that drives many people's content business (the creators), and if the engine is denied to them, there really isn't a realistic alternative.
- bsder 6y agoYou either overthrow The King, or you depend on his largesse and submit to his whims. "We don't care. We don't have to. We're Google." https://vimeo.com/355556831 https://vimeo.com/355556831
- wlll 6y agoWhat does "overthrow the king" look like when the alternatives are uploading your videos to other sites and getting a handful of views? It's like the alternative really is "depend on his largesse and submit to his whims beacuse you can't overthrow the king because he is too powerful". Like it or not YouTube is in an extremely solid position that is unlikely to be shifted by anyone at this point.
- dvtrn 6y agoWhat does "overthrow the king" look like I often hear the “host your own content” but I don’t feel like there is an equally vocal “make it discoverable, too” crowd. That is until I discovered the indieweb. The indieweb’s usage of microformats and features like “webmentions” that can be crawled ad hoc, enabling decentralized, federated discovery (example: http://indieweb.xyz http://indieweb.xyz) is the web that-IMO-we should have gotten. Not one dominated by corporatized, professionalized platforms
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- jansan 6y agoFor Bitchute you can directly compare the views of videos by Styxhexenhammer666, who seems to be most watched content creator on Bitchute. Numbers seem to be roughly 12 to 1 in favor of YouTube. Still, we need people to start contributing to alternative platforms. The YouTube monopoly only benefits Google.
- munk-a 6y agoThe video discovery is the part that really hurts creators there. Youtube is a bunch of stuff nobody cares about attached to that landing page that advertises videos and which billions (I think? hundreds of millions at least) of people pass through every day. There are great ways to host video for free on the internet these days so if you want to preserve some video or link it in somewhere (I've seen vimeo used as a hosting platform for tutorial videos on sites) then you have much better option than YouTube - but if your business is the videos then you either need to survive on YT or else get big enough to splinter. Given how Dlive (pwediepie) and Nebula (technical vlog folks) haven't taken off that well I'm guessing you'll need a lot more behind you to go indy - those subscriptions (hit the bell icon!) and the feed are the feature YT sells.