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This. Also, people should buy electric cars. FACT: a bad electric car is outright better than almost any ICE car. Source: I own a Nissan Leaf. And it’s no Tes

This. Also, people should buy electric cars. FACT: a bad electric car is outright better than almost any ICE car. Source: I own a Nissan Leaf. And it’s no Tesla. Still leaps and bounds above any gas car I’ve ever driven.

toomuchtodo 6y ago
All EVs are good EVs. As long as you're displacing combustion, you're doing your part.
- dublin 6y ago
  Tell that to the people facing 5-digit battery replacement bills at mileages that are far short of what a good ICE car or truck can deliver. (I know several people here in Texas with old pickups that have 300-400K miles on them. One has only changed the oil and replaced accessories like alternators and pumps.)
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  - xedeon 6y ago
    400k miles is nothing to batteries (with good BMS and temp control like Tesla) and electric motors. Compilation of 300-450k mile Teslas. https://www.tesloop.com/blog/2019/2/6/tesloops-high-mileage-teslas https://www.tesloop.com/blog/2019/2/6/tesloops-high-mileage-... 900,000 km (559,350 miles) https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-record-mileage-900000-kilometers https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-record-mileage-900000-ki... 1 million km (621,000 miles) https://electrek.co/2019/11/30/tesla-model-s-1-million-km/ https://electrek.co/2019/11/30/tesla-model-s-1-million-km/
  - headmelted 6y ago
    Maybe in Texas. They salt the roads where I am and the winters tend to bounce between frigid and just cold - so there's often consistent freeze/thaw cycles from December to March. The amount of wear that puts on exhausts and piston rings would blow your mind. It's also conducive to EVs - my Leaf is pushing 70k and hasn't lost more than 2% of battery capacity (and possibly less - it's capacity loss is a rounding error) in the time that I've had it. It's active cooling is just how blooming cold it is here for a lot of the year. The other issue is that here diesels are much more popular than petrol/gasoline. And diesels are just an unreliable nightmare of sunk costs. The amount that can and does fail on a modern diesel and costs four figures to get fixed is scandalous (and that's not even counting DPFs and flywheels). The most that's ever gone wrong with this car is a bulb going out. I fully expect to get 100k out of the car while I have it, and I'd be astonished if it doesn't do 200k or more in it's lifespan.
josho 6y ago
> a bad electric car is outright better than almost any ICE car. You are right, and I want to add more perspective that in your proposal there are now 2 cars on the road. Your electric and your used ICE car. The better situation is to drive your ICE car to its end, and only then replace it. Our over consumption is a part of the problem as well.
- tkzed49 6y ago
  This doesn't really make sense... the person who bought the used car wasn't just going to not drive if it weren't for sale, they'd just buy a different one. Now, there is one ICE car and one electric car on the road instead of two ICE cars. If half of the world immediately upgraded to electric cars, sure there would be a temporary surplus of vehicles, but it would only last until the old ones broke down.
  - SECProto 6y ago
    > If half of the world immediately upgraded to electric cars, sure there would be a temporary surplus of vehicles, but it would only last until the old ones broke down. Exactly. There'd be a temporary surplus of (newer, better-condition) ICE vehicles. And people who are otherwise faced with a $1500 bill to repair their old one "kinda needs repairs, burns some oil but a quart a week isnt too bad", will instead buy a more efficient ICE. Most new BEV will get an old shitty ICE off the road.

toomuchtodo 6y ago

All EVs are good EVs. As long as you're displacing combustion, you're doing your part.

dublin 6y ago
Tell that to the people facing 5-digit battery replacement bills at mileages that are far short of what a good ICE car or truck can deliver. (I know several people here in Texas with old pickups that have 300-400K miles on them. One has only changed the oil and replaced accessories like alternators and pumps.)
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- xedeon 6y ago
  400k miles is nothing to batteries (with good BMS and temp control like Tesla) and electric motors. Compilation of 300-450k mile Teslas. https://www.tesloop.com/blog/2019/2/6/tesloops-high-mileage-teslas https://www.tesloop.com/blog/2019/2/6/tesloops-high-mileage-... 900,000 km (559,350 miles) https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-record-mileage-900000-kilometers https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-record-mileage-900000-ki... 1 million km (621,000 miles) https://electrek.co/2019/11/30/tesla-model-s-1-million-km/ https://electrek.co/2019/11/30/tesla-model-s-1-million-km/
- headmelted 6y ago
  Maybe in Texas. They salt the roads where I am and the winters tend to bounce between frigid and just cold - so there's often consistent freeze/thaw cycles from December to March. The amount of wear that puts on exhausts and piston rings would blow your mind. It's also conducive to EVs - my Leaf is pushing 70k and hasn't lost more than 2% of battery capacity (and possibly less - it's capacity loss is a rounding error) in the time that I've had it. It's active cooling is just how blooming cold it is here for a lot of the year. The other issue is that here diesels are much more popular than petrol/gasoline. And diesels are just an unreliable nightmare of sunk costs. The amount that can and does fail on a modern diesel and costs four figures to get fixed is scandalous (and that's not even counting DPFs and flywheels). The most that's ever gone wrong with this car is a bulb going out. I fully expect to get 100k out of the car while I have it, and I'd be astonished if it doesn't do 200k or more in it's lifespan.

josho 6y ago

> a bad electric car is outright better than almost any ICE car. You are right, and I want to add more perspective that in your proposal there are now 2 cars on the road. Your electric and your used ICE car. The better situation is to drive your ICE car to its end, and only then replace it. Our over consumption is a part of the problem as well.

tkzed49 6y ago
This doesn't really make sense... the person who bought the used car wasn't just going to not drive if it weren't for sale, they'd just buy a different one. Now, there is one ICE car and one electric car on the road instead of two ICE cars. If half of the world immediately upgraded to electric cars, sure there would be a temporary surplus of vehicles, but it would only last until the old ones broke down.
- SECProto 6y ago
  > If half of the world immediately upgraded to electric cars, sure there would be a temporary surplus of vehicles, but it would only last until the old ones broke down. Exactly. There'd be a temporary surplus of (newer, better-condition) ICE vehicles. And people who are otherwise faced with a $1500 bill to repair their old one "kinda needs repairs, burns some oil but a quart a week isnt too bad", will instead buy a more efficient ICE. Most new BEV will get an old shitty ICE off the road.