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Youtube is just so beyond broken at this point. I wish everyone could move somewhere else, but it's a catch 22. They're so cemented as the standard

perlpimp 6y ago
YouTube is irc of video distribution.
- floren 6y ago
  Good god, I'd hate to see what the Discord or Slack of video distribution would be, then.
NegatioN 6y ago
It does indeed feel like they supplanted regular television in some sense, and is catering to "the establishment" more and more each year. Before the focus felt like it was more on exposing people to new up-and-comers, or random viral stuff. The viral stuff is still there, but so algorithmically driven, and catering to the lowest common denominator that it just feels off. I have no clue how to find new channels with interesting concepts anymore.
nfriedly 6y ago
I've been starting to watch things on nebula. There's a lot less content than youtube, but what's there is top notch.
- beauzero 6y ago
  As soon as they have the 4k Relaxation Channel (on youtube) content I am there. One monitor is always dedicated to it and I currently pay Google so that I don't get work inappropriate ads playing. It would save me money.
  - nfriedly 6y ago
    Nice. I think they have a way to make recommendations, I'll try and figure out how and send that one in for you.
2muchcoffeeman 6y ago
For educational material like the video in question why don’t the big streaming players like Netflix or Amazon Prime pick it up? They could buy one of the online course sites. I’d pay a small subscription as a Netflix “add-on” to get what ever I wanted to learn without ads.
kllrnohj 6y ago
> Youtube is just so beyond broken at this point. It's not entirely fair to blame YouTube exclusively for the complicated mess that is copyright laws. In fact most of this video & thread are misdirected blame. Per the video it sounds like he received 5 DMCA copyright strikes to which he issues counter-claims. That's not youtube's system and youtube is bound to follow the laws outlined by the DMCA. YouTube didn't issue the copyright strike, so why would YouTube know what was or wasn't at issue? So yes the system is broken, but moving somewhere else doesn't fix it. The new system will still have this exact same set of circumstances happen because that new system will still be governed by DMCA & US copyright law (in this instance being US-based). The only part of this that has anything to do with YouTube itself or being in YouTube's control is the channel being deleted. But that policy is clear - 3 copyright strikes and the channel is deleted. Too harsh? Maybe. Ambiguous or unclear? No. And if the channel does what it should as a business & lawyers up to respond to the DMCA notices & issue counter-claims, if those counters are successful then the channel remains at 0 strikes and isn't deleted. But there the part that's shit is DMCA. Want to fix that part? Stop blaming YouTube for it and go try to get the law reformed. YouTube isn't going to be your lawyer. Nor will Vimeo. Nor will any video hosting service.
- bryan0 6y ago
  What about the part in the video where he showed YouTube's policy which says the claimant must provide information about the material that is under violation, but he shows YT's email to him which says they do not have this information? Isn't that solely YT's responsibility to uphold its own policy?
- jcranmer 6y ago
  > Per the video it sounds like he received 5 DMCA copyright strikes to which he issues counter-claims. Actually, I believe YouTube uses a mechanism which is explicitly not-DMCA for its copyright claims. Under the DMCA, a user has the right of counterclaim, where the user says "your claim is wrong, here's why, see you in court", and the service provider has to reinstate the claimed material (unless it actually goes to court). I don't believe YouTube's ToS gives the user that provision.
mr_toad 6y ago
If you need discovery. But that’s not an excuse for every use case. For example a corporate training video with the URL emailed to every participant. Why YouTube? Because everyone else does it. And nobody even began to think about looking at the possibility that there might be alternatives.
- tshaddox 6y ago
  I suspect that demonetization or blocking isn't an issue for corporate training videos. YouTube probably works fine for them.

perlpimp 6y ago

YouTube is irc of video distribution.

floren 6y ago
Good god, I'd hate to see what the Discord or Slack of video distribution would be, then.

NegatioN 6y ago

It does indeed feel like they supplanted regular television in some sense, and is catering to "the establishment" more and more each year. Before the focus felt like it was more on exposing people to new up-and-comers, or random viral stuff. The viral stuff is still there, but so algorithmically driven, and catering to the lowest common denominator that it just feels off. I have no clue how to find new channels with interesting concepts anymore.

nfriedly 6y ago

I've been starting to watch things on nebula. There's a lot less content than youtube, but what's there is top notch.

beauzero 6y ago
As soon as they have the 4k Relaxation Channel (on youtube) content I am there. One monitor is always dedicated to it and I currently pay Google so that I don't get work inappropriate ads playing. It would save me money.
- nfriedly 6y ago
  Nice. I think they have a way to make recommendations, I'll try and figure out how and send that one in for you.

2muchcoffeeman 6y ago

For educational material like the video in question why don’t the big streaming players like Netflix or Amazon Prime pick it up? They could buy one of the online course sites. I’d pay a small subscription as a Netflix “add-on” to get what ever I wanted to learn without ads.

kllrnohj 6y ago

> Youtube is just so beyond broken at this point. It's not entirely fair to blame YouTube exclusively for the complicated mess that is copyright laws. In fact most of this video & thread are misdirected blame. Per the video it sounds like he received 5 DMCA copyright strikes to which he issues counter-claims. That's not youtube's system and youtube is bound to follow the laws outlined by the DMCA. YouTube didn't issue the copyright strike, so why would YouTube know what was or wasn't at issue? So yes the system is broken, but moving somewhere else doesn't fix it. The new system will still have this exact same set of circumstances happen because that new system will still be governed by DMCA & US copyright law (in this instance being US-based). The only part of this that has anything to do with YouTube itself or being in YouTube's control is the channel being deleted. But that policy is clear - 3 copyright strikes and the channel is deleted. Too harsh? Maybe. Ambiguous or unclear? No. And if the channel does what it should as a business & lawyers up to respond to the DMCA notices & issue counter-claims, if those counters are successful then the channel remains at 0 strikes and isn't deleted. But there the part that's shit is DMCA. Want to fix that part? Stop blaming YouTube for it and go try to get the law reformed. YouTube isn't going to be your lawyer. Nor will Vimeo. Nor will any video hosting service.

bryan0 6y ago
What about the part in the video where he showed YouTube's policy which says the claimant must provide information about the material that is under violation, but he shows YT's email to him which says they do not have this information? Isn't that solely YT's responsibility to uphold its own policy?
jcranmer 6y ago
> Per the video it sounds like he received 5 DMCA copyright strikes to which he issues counter-claims. Actually, I believe YouTube uses a mechanism which is explicitly not-DMCA for its copyright claims. Under the DMCA, a user has the right of counterclaim, where the user says "your claim is wrong, here's why, see you in court", and the service provider has to reinstate the claimed material (unless it actually goes to court). I don't believe YouTube's ToS gives the user that provision.

mr_toad 6y ago

If you need discovery. But that’s not an excuse for every use case. For example a corporate training video with the URL emailed to every participant. Why YouTube? Because everyone else does it. And nobody even began to think about looking at the possibility that there might be alternatives.

tshaddox 6y ago
I suspect that demonetization or blocking isn't an issue for corporate training videos. YouTube probably works fine for them.