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Sometimes a CEO is brought in to clean house, sometimes a CEO is brought in to right the ship and stop bleeding, sometimes a CEO is brought in to liquidate ever

Sometimes a CEO is brought in to clean house, sometimes a CEO is brought in to right the ship and stop bleeding, sometimes a CEO is brought in to liquidate everything or make the company attractive to buyers. And yes, sometimes CEOs fail, or succeed. I find it highly unlikely that people hired for CEOs do not have excellent CVs or success stories to point back to, or a strong network vouching for them. This isn't a level I networking certification. This is a top position with top pay - the idea that there is a subset of people just gaming their way to CEO is hard to believe. That's not to say they don't politik. But I don't think it's like a programmer lying on their first resume about how much of that project they really contributed to on internship.

jjoonathan 6y ago
But that's just it -- the "common sense" qualifications for a CEO position (namely, having pertinent leadership roles in the past) not only don't correlate especially well with outcomes, the correlation is actually negative, and becomes more so the more success they've had (as measured by number of roles). This isn't consistent with the "rare qualifications create a positive edge, multiplied by lots of leverage" value story, but it is consistent with the "climbers get good at climbing" story. It's also consistent with my anecdotal observations where the biggest executive jumps involved dirty tricks that transferred downwards momentum to the company they springboarded up from. Are boards stupid? Probably not. My guess is that investors have a cognitive bias towards simple stories and "qualified" CEOs help the board serve up simple stories to their investors while also providing ample opportunity for mutual backscratching. It doesn't matter whether or not they have an actual edge, the story is the product. It's a good hustle if you can get in on it, but that's the trick, isn't it?
- ntsplnkv2 6y ago
  Are you going to cite this so called correlation? I would love to see the study. > "climbers get good at climbing" story. This isn't true. There are plenty of climbers - and if all that mattered was being good at climbing, boards would work to save millions of dollars by hiring cheaper "climbers." >My guess is that investors have a cognitive bias towards simple stories and "qualified" CEOs help the board serve up simple stories to their investors while also providing ample opportunity for mutual backscratching. It doesn't matter whether or not they have an actual edge, the story is the product. Or, perhaps, experience matters, and they just don't want to give it to people who don't have experience leading large entities. Just like anything else. I'm sure you trust a plumber of 15 years over his journeyman of 4. Is it some secret evil cabal working against the plumber? No, it's just common sense.
  - luckylion 6y ago
    > There are plenty of climbers - and if all that mattered was being good at climbing, boards would work to save millions of dollars by hiring cheaper "climbers." Are there though? By nature of that kind of climbing, they get thinned out quite quickly, plucked from the wall by those more adept at hyper-competitive climbing without rules and sheer randomness. Here's a short overview with a few links pointing to studies that suggest that CEOs aren't having the impact common perception attributes to them, and whether they succeed or fail often depends on luck: https://www.inc.com/will-yakowicz/study-luck-looking-the-part-relative-intelligence-makes-the-ceo.html https://www.inc.com/will-yakowicz/study-luck-looking-the-par... > I'm sure you trust a plumber of 15 years over his journeyman of 4. Is it some secret evil cabal working against the plumber? No, it's just common sense. Especially in tech, we don't see a lot of old CEOs though, and if we did, that still doesn't explain why any one in particular is chosen: the pool for any age group is large, they'll all have roughly the same number of years in experience. If luck is a large part in whether they succeed or fail in their role, if you continually test, you'll end up with people who rolled the dice and got lucky multiple times in a row, or you'll end up with people who manipulated the dice (or your perception of the dice).
  - jjoonathan 6y ago
    Exactly, it's common sense: it doesn't matter if it's wrong, it's what people believe, so if you want to sell those people something, you'd better play into it. If I remember tonight I'll dig through my archives and pull up the study.

jjoonathan 6y ago

But that's just it -- the "common sense" qualifications for a CEO position (namely, having pertinent leadership roles in the past) not only don't correlate especially well with outcomes, the correlation is actually negative, and becomes more so the more success they've had (as measured by number of roles). This isn't consistent with the "rare qualifications create a positive edge, multiplied by lots of leverage" value story, but it is consistent with the "climbers get good at climbing" story. It's also consistent with my anecdotal observations where the biggest executive jumps involved dirty tricks that transferred downwards momentum to the company they springboarded up from. Are boards stupid? Probably not. My guess is that investors have a cognitive bias towards simple stories and "qualified" CEOs help the board serve up simple stories to their investors while also providing ample opportunity for mutual backscratching. It doesn't matter whether or not they have an actual edge, the story is the product. It's a good hustle if you can get in on it, but that's the trick, isn't it?

ntsplnkv2 6y ago
Are you going to cite this so called correlation? I would love to see the study. > "climbers get good at climbing" story. This isn't true. There are plenty of climbers - and if all that mattered was being good at climbing, boards would work to save millions of dollars by hiring cheaper "climbers." >My guess is that investors have a cognitive bias towards simple stories and "qualified" CEOs help the board serve up simple stories to their investors while also providing ample opportunity for mutual backscratching. It doesn't matter whether or not they have an actual edge, the story is the product. Or, perhaps, experience matters, and they just don't want to give it to people who don't have experience leading large entities. Just like anything else. I'm sure you trust a plumber of 15 years over his journeyman of 4. Is it some secret evil cabal working against the plumber? No, it's just common sense.
- luckylion 6y ago
  > There are plenty of climbers - and if all that mattered was being good at climbing, boards would work to save millions of dollars by hiring cheaper "climbers." Are there though? By nature of that kind of climbing, they get thinned out quite quickly, plucked from the wall by those more adept at hyper-competitive climbing without rules and sheer randomness. Here's a short overview with a few links pointing to studies that suggest that CEOs aren't having the impact common perception attributes to them, and whether they succeed or fail often depends on luck: https://www.inc.com/will-yakowicz/study-luck-looking-the-part-relative-intelligence-makes-the-ceo.html https://www.inc.com/will-yakowicz/study-luck-looking-the-par... > I'm sure you trust a plumber of 15 years over his journeyman of 4. Is it some secret evil cabal working against the plumber? No, it's just common sense. Especially in tech, we don't see a lot of old CEOs though, and if we did, that still doesn't explain why any one in particular is chosen: the pool for any age group is large, they'll all have roughly the same number of years in experience. If luck is a large part in whether they succeed or fail in their role, if you continually test, you'll end up with people who rolled the dice and got lucky multiple times in a row, or you'll end up with people who manipulated the dice (or your perception of the dice).
- jjoonathan 6y ago
  Exactly, it's common sense: it doesn't matter if it's wrong, it's what people believe, so if you want to sell those people something, you'd better play into it. If I remember tonight I'll dig through my archives and pull up the study.