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From the article: “If you’re unable to unlock your car and drive, that’s a problem,” he said. That's a bogus comment hovering on FUD. In no general usage do y
by jlv2 6y ago
From the article: “If you’re unable to unlock your car and drive, that’s a problem,” he said.
That's a bogus comment hovering on FUD.
In no general usage do you need app access to the car via the Internet in order to unlock or drive. My wife just drove one of our cars during the outage and didn't even known it was ongoing.
I would assume that even with the Model 3 using the phone as a key, it just uses LE Bluetooth -- not Internet access via the app.
- mrguyorama 6y agoAs the poster right above you mentioned, the local bluetooth functions don't work unless the app recently connected to the Tesla servers. Are there teslas without physical "key" cards of fobs?
- the_duke 6y agoNo. S/X have fobs and 3/Y have key cards. I'd bet that a good number of owners don't always carry them around though.
- martythemaniak 6y agoPretty silly not to. You can always break or lose your phone.
- root_axis 6y agoor even more likely: the battery dies.
- Wowfunhappy 6y agoWell, you could also loose your keys. A lot of newer tech products seem intended to move us to a place where we don't need to carry separate wallets/keys alongside our phones. That's a reasonable goal. Look at how popular credit card phone cases are!
- cjsawyer 6y agoI would never, ever, rely on just my phone battery for access to my car.
- colinmhayes 6y agoOk but other people might?
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- bdamm 6y agoOther people might decide to hang a weight on the steering wheel and go to sleep while driving at 90mph[1]. That doesn't make it a good idea. [1]: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/tesla-driver-napping-alberta-speeding-1.5727828 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/tesla-driver-napping...
- colinmhayes 6y agoOk but the question isn't whether it's a good idea. The question is how much it harms tesla owners. It sounds like this might significantly disrupt people who only use their phone and I wouldn't be surprised if a decent number of people made that(poor) decision.
- TaylorAlexander 6y agoI love my credit card case. It fits three cards and doesn’t feel bulky. It says “silk” on the back so that must be the brand.
- Wowfunhappy 6y agoI edited that part out, you're right their are some relatively nice ones! But, it would be comparatively slimmer without the cards!
- pwagland 6y agoS/X drivers will, since they can't use the phone as a key anyway. And unlocking the car through the app is extremely slow and cumbersome compared to the app (IMO).
- sbalea 6y agoYou can buy fobs for 3/Y, for extra $$$
- cptskippy 6y agoHonda wanted to charge me $250 for a lasercut chipped butterfly farts covered key when I bought a car that only came with one. Tesla sells the fob for $150 which is normal for car keys. It sells the keycard for $25 which is only $5 more than my office charged to replace a lost access badge.
- AshleyGrant 6y ago> Are there teslas without physical "key" cards of fobs? No
- martythemaniak 6y agoThey come with 2 cards and you can always buy more online. So yes, if you threw away your keys there are keyless Teslas.
- mrguyorama 6y agoWhat are the cards like? Just simple passive RFID chips?
- Sohcahtoa82 6y agoThey're not passive. If they were, you'd see a lot of articles about Teslas being stolen after someone walking by used an RFID reader. They contain a private key to create a challenge-response system with the car that essentially makes them impossible to clone. I've seen articles of people using Java cards to create a Model 3 key card that works, but it wasn't possible to clone an existing card. They created a card, then had to use an existing authorized card (or phone) to unlock and turn on the car, then use the car's tablet screen to add the created card to the list of authorized cards.
- mrguyorama 6y agoI meant passive in that they didn't need a battery
- Sohcahtoa82 6y agoOh. Yeah in that sense, they are passive.
- cptskippy 6y agoThe cards are Tesla branded passive RFID Java Cards, you can confirm this with the NXP RFID reader app on Android. They are powered by the RFID reader.
- tree6014 6y agoTechnically, as of this moment, you cannot buy more online...
- cptskippy 6y agoSee my experience: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24570450 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24570450 I was unaware of the outage and did my normal routine obliviously and without ever opening the App. When I read about the outage, I opened the app and it basically gave me the middle finger. For shits and giggles I tried to use the car and it still worked. So I'm not sure how the Phone talks to the Car but for me, on Android, the App losing it's mind didn't kill my phone's ability to drive the car. I also carry my card with me at all times in case something happens to my phone. Seeing as how the replacements are only $25, I might pick up one or two just in case.
- gamblor956 6y agoApparently the multiple Tesla owners on this thread and online are all just spreading FUD about how they can't open their own cars this morning... As other commenters have noted, the problem arises if your Tesla app needs to update its license or whatever this morning. If it did, you're SOL until they fix the bug. If it didn't, like apparently your wife's Tesla app, then you won't experience the problem.
- root_axis 6y agoIt's FUD in the sense that the App is just a popular convenience and not something that's required to unlock or start the vehicle.
- gamblor956 6y agoIt would be FUD if Elon wasn't always bragging about how a phone was the only thing you needed to unlock your car... If you live by the sword, you die by the sword.
- root_axis 6y agoI mean, I agree with you that Elon is typically full of shit, but it's FUD because it's not a problem in real life, the bluetooth isn't always reliable in the general case anyway, anyone who relies on the car in a practical sense understands that the key-card is the key, not the phone.
- hellotomyrars 6y agoIt is a problem in real life today because of this outage, actually. Just because it can be worked around doesn't make it not a problem.
- root_axis 6y agoEvery outage is a "real problem", I'm using a turn of phrase to express that it's not at all a big deal. Instead of the car magically unlocking and starting from your mere presence you must deign to reach for the physical key like some type of barbarian.
- ryanmarsh 6y agoI'll take your comment a step further, you don't need any of the screens to drive the car (2018 S) either. I once had a (software) crash and reboot at highway speeds, only thing I noticed (besides the screens going black) was the A/C turned off and back on.
- root_axis 6y agoI think that's a step too far. Losing the screen while in motion is quite disorienting, yes the car continues to function fine mechanically, but you lose all of your telemetry, voice commands, maps/navigation, and some other critical functions like wiper settings. In addition to that, the Model 3 has very poor rear visibility, so it's pretty unsafe to do much of any backing up without screen-view cameras.
- cptskippy 6y ago> the Model 3 has very poor rear visibility What cars are you accustom to driving? I would say it's average in terms of visibility.
- rasz 6y agoReboot is mild, how about freeze on both screens? Its good to know how to ALt-Ctrl-Del Tesla dash https://tesla-info.com/reboot.php https://tesla-info.com/reboot.php
- cptskippy 6y agoI had the screen crash on my Model 3 once as we drove out of our neighborhood. I initiated a reboot while driving and by the time we got where we were going 15 minutes down the road it was operating normally again.
- fomine3 6y agoDriving feature should work with display off, but I'll fear and possibly panic if all displays down suddenly while driving.