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This is disappointing, but expected from our government. As a resident of California, I have an awful impression of the Democrats since most of the problems we

This is disappointing, but expected from our government. As a resident of California, I have an awful impression of the Democrats since most of the problems we are facing are a direct effect from their policy.

gtfoutttt 6y ago
If California was a country, it would be the fifth largest economy in the world. 118 months of consecutive job growth as of the last state of the state address. Our problems pale in comparison to our achievements. We're managing world class first rate economy, while other states suck up our tax money.
- DevKoala 6y ago
  That has a lot to do with our tech oriented culture and weather. Most top professionals from other states want to move here or to New York. What are the policies from our leaders that have facilitated this growth? That’s like attributing the economy growth in the last 4 years to Trump.
  - qqqwerty 6y ago
    Investment in public transportation, education, and cultural institutions as well as strong environmental protections resulting in cleaner air and water and plentiful pristine outdoor spaces. And a political environment that is welcoming and supportive of LGBTQ, people of color, and immigrants. The professional class that is responsible for CA's growth has shown a strong preference for those policies and environment.
    - DevKoala 6y ago
      California’s investment in education is the lowest when you consider the cost of living. https://edsource.org/2015/states-in-motion-school-finance-naep-child-poverty/83303 https://edsource.org/2015/states-in-motion-school-finance-na... For the investment in our public transportation, it is hard to make a comparison due to the particulars of our geography/area size and population compared to other states. Also, I never criticized our policies towards LGBTQ or immigrants. I am talking about our shortcomings here.
      - qqqwerty 6y ago
        We have the best public universities in the world[1]. And in-state tuition is half the cost of an equivalent private university. > For the investment in our public transportation, it is hard to make a comparison due to the particulars of our geography/area size and population compared to other states. It is not that hard actually. CA generally likes to fund public transportation projects. Other states do not[2] > Also, I never criticized our policies towards LGBTQ or immigrants. I am talking about our shortcomings here. You literally asked "What are the policies from our leaders that have facilitated this growth?" If you only focus on the negatives, then sure, you can spin a misleading narrative about how CA is a shithole and the only reason it is successful is because of the weather. But if we are actually trying to be honest, there are tons of other factors that have contributed to the economic success, and many of those factors are political in nature. [1]https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/all-uc-undergraduate-campuses-in-top-40-us-news-world-report https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/all-uc-undergrad... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/climate/koch-brothers-public-transit.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/climate/koch-brothers-pub...
therealdrag0 6y ago
I would bet per capita that CA is top 5 greenest states in the country. Maybe that shows how sad the state of affairs is. But ca dems are hardly the worst option around.
- DevKoala 6y ago
  Why do we have so many people leaving the state and the biggest amount of homeless per capita? I am not saying our government is the worst, but it definitely doesn’t seem to be meeting its own goals.
  - majormajor 6y ago
    > Why do we have so many people leaving the state and the biggest amount of homeless per capita? I am not saying our government is the worst, but it definitely doesn’t seem to be meeting its own goals. and elsewhere > That has a lot to do with our tech oriented culture and weather. Most top professionals from other states want to move here or to New York. What are the policies from our leaders that have facilitated this growth? That’s like attributing the economy growth in the last 4 years to Trump. So if you have a lot of high paying inbound movement, you're gonna get a lot of very expensive places. "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded." Your stance here is just "ascribe the things you like things to luck or non-political factors, but blame the politicians for the aspects you don't like." It hardly seems fair.
    - DevKoala 6y ago
      Yes, the absence livable wage non-tech jobs in California is a problem. I don’t understand what isn’t fair in highlighting the issues that are disappointing about the California government. There are alternatives beyond the two party system, but if we don’t even have the ability to recognize our issues, we’ll never get anything better.
      - majormajor 6y ago
        The "not fair" part is only ascribing responsibility for the bad stuff. Something that gets discussed here a lot is CA law on non-competes, which could have a pretty big impact on that tech business part of the economy. But you said the economy is due to "tech culture and weather" - not possibly any policy-related things. CA has gotten some things right, and some things wrong. But I don't think you did a good job demonstrating why you think, say, the state government is more to blame for cost of living than the private sector economy is (from a "infinite growth forever isn't sustainable" point of view, say, or a "things are inflated by a flood of private VC investment to unprofitable companies that are distorting markets").

gtfoutttt 6y ago

If California was a country, it would be the fifth largest economy in the world. 118 months of consecutive job growth as of the last state of the state address. Our problems pale in comparison to our achievements. We're managing world class first rate economy, while other states suck up our tax money.

DevKoala 6y ago
That has a lot to do with our tech oriented culture and weather. Most top professionals from other states want to move here or to New York. What are the policies from our leaders that have facilitated this growth? That’s like attributing the economy growth in the last 4 years to Trump.
- qqqwerty 6y ago
  Investment in public transportation, education, and cultural institutions as well as strong environmental protections resulting in cleaner air and water and plentiful pristine outdoor spaces. And a political environment that is welcoming and supportive of LGBTQ, people of color, and immigrants. The professional class that is responsible for CA's growth has shown a strong preference for those policies and environment.
  - DevKoala 6y ago
    California’s investment in education is the lowest when you consider the cost of living. https://edsource.org/2015/states-in-motion-school-finance-naep-child-poverty/83303 https://edsource.org/2015/states-in-motion-school-finance-na... For the investment in our public transportation, it is hard to make a comparison due to the particulars of our geography/area size and population compared to other states. Also, I never criticized our policies towards LGBTQ or immigrants. I am talking about our shortcomings here.
    - qqqwerty 6y ago
      We have the best public universities in the world[1]. And in-state tuition is half the cost of an equivalent private university. > For the investment in our public transportation, it is hard to make a comparison due to the particulars of our geography/area size and population compared to other states. It is not that hard actually. CA generally likes to fund public transportation projects. Other states do not[2] > Also, I never criticized our policies towards LGBTQ or immigrants. I am talking about our shortcomings here. You literally asked "What are the policies from our leaders that have facilitated this growth?" If you only focus on the negatives, then sure, you can spin a misleading narrative about how CA is a shithole and the only reason it is successful is because of the weather. But if we are actually trying to be honest, there are tons of other factors that have contributed to the economic success, and many of those factors are political in nature. [1]https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/all-uc-undergraduate-campuses-in-top-40-us-news-world-report https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/all-uc-undergrad... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/climate/koch-brothers-public-transit.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/climate/koch-brothers-pub...

therealdrag0 6y ago

I would bet per capita that CA is top 5 greenest states in the country. Maybe that shows how sad the state of affairs is. But ca dems are hardly the worst option around.

DevKoala 6y ago
Why do we have so many people leaving the state and the biggest amount of homeless per capita? I am not saying our government is the worst, but it definitely doesn’t seem to be meeting its own goals.
- majormajor 6y ago
  > Why do we have so many people leaving the state and the biggest amount of homeless per capita? I am not saying our government is the worst, but it definitely doesn’t seem to be meeting its own goals. and elsewhere > That has a lot to do with our tech oriented culture and weather. Most top professionals from other states want to move here or to New York. What are the policies from our leaders that have facilitated this growth? That’s like attributing the economy growth in the last 4 years to Trump. So if you have a lot of high paying inbound movement, you're gonna get a lot of very expensive places. "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded." Your stance here is just "ascribe the things you like things to luck or non-political factors, but blame the politicians for the aspects you don't like." It hardly seems fair.
  - DevKoala 6y ago
    Yes, the absence livable wage non-tech jobs in California is a problem. I don’t understand what isn’t fair in highlighting the issues that are disappointing about the California government. There are alternatives beyond the two party system, but if we don’t even have the ability to recognize our issues, we’ll never get anything better.
    - majormajor 6y ago
      The "not fair" part is only ascribing responsibility for the bad stuff. Something that gets discussed here a lot is CA law on non-competes, which could have a pretty big impact on that tech business part of the economy. But you said the economy is due to "tech culture and weather" - not possibly any policy-related things. CA has gotten some things right, and some things wrong. But I don't think you did a good job demonstrating why you think, say, the state government is more to blame for cost of living than the private sector economy is (from a "infinite growth forever isn't sustainable" point of view, say, or a "things are inflated by a flood of private VC investment to unprofitable companies that are distorting markets").