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I'd be careful to use the label Democrat so broadly. Neoliberal, centrist democrats (which is the predominant wing of the party, e.g. Pelosi, Biden, Obama, et a

I'd be careful to use the label Democrat so broadly. Neoliberal, centrist democrats (which is the predominant wing of the party, e.g. Pelosi, Biden, Obama, et al) are definitely caving to corporate interests over people's health/environment. The Leftist side of the party is pushing hard for climate change. Biden/Harris, unfortunately, are unlikely to make any movement in their admin should they win. Edit: To be clear, I'm a Leftist who is disgruntled at how hard the Dem establishment has been pushing us out of the party.

ISL 6y ago
The decision at hand in this election is whether Biden/Harris or Trump/Pence might do a better job. On climate and the environment, it is clear that Biden/Harris will do a much more-careful job.
- NoOneNew 6y ago
  > On climate and the environment, it is clear that Biden/Harris will do a much more-careful job. How is it clear? The point to this article is the issue of lip-service and zero action. Hate to say it, Trump leaving the Paris agreement did more for the environment than being in it. Businesses were pissed he left the agreement and started to implement the agreement's proposals... something those businesses were ALREADY supposed to be doing while in it. But they weren't. The biggest issue going on is the bullshit lip-service about climate action. Greta Thornberg was the prime poster child of lip-service just to get attention, but accomplishing nothing in the real world. Too much "environmentalism" the past 30+ years has been about "awareness". Don't pretend there's a single political candidate (in or running) right now who is willing to put in the hard work to actually made the necessary changes.
  - therealdrag0 6y ago
    You think a few businesses volunteering to reduce emissions for the PR/warm-fuzzies is going to offset the rest of businesses who don’t volunteer?
    - NoOneNew 6y ago
      You missed the entire point. "How dare Trump leave the climate agreement! Even though we were supposed to already reduce our carbon emissions since the country was apart of the agreement, we're going to show Trump he's an asshole by reducing our carbon emissions since he left the agreement!" That's my problem. It's all lip-service. No one really cares about the environment. No more than buying a tshirt and a sticker. How many of them went out to go plant extra trees and ensured their viability by maintaining the surroundings and watering them properly after planting? Most of those massive tree planting raids end up only having 5-10% survive to a year after planting. Or went out and cleaned a beach or the ocean? Actual enforce filtering/dumping guidelines with massive penalties? It's just like the whole, "Oh, I care about the poor." Bullshit, when was the last time you volunteered at a soup kitchen? Lip-service, likes, thumbs up, hearts and whatever the hell else another platform thinks up, doesn't change shit. The whole idea that some politician is for "the good of us all" is such a load of crap, no matter the party or the country. It's just a way of them getting into power for themselves. And yea, it's all warm and fuzzy PR bullshit that sadly the general public now believes, "is the way" to fix the world. It all annoys the hell out of me when someone says, "This politician/billionaire cares." HA! I think the closest is that guy that went close to broke recently and even then I have my doubts.
      - bgorman 6y ago
        Agreed 100%. Trump is getting better results than Obama because he doesn't do lip service to the environment.
        mrguyorama 6y ago
        He has literally rolled back emissions regulations to like 2000 levels. Explain to me how that's better for the environment?
        bgorman 6y ago
        There was no enforcement of these emission regulations before anyway. For example the biggest Natural Gas leak in US history (In California, in 2015, under the Obama administration) resulted in no penalties or criminal charges at either the federal or state level. Trump rolling back emissions regulations is making people/corporations/countries think they need to do more about the climate. Politicans from both political parties don't really care about climate change, but it is especially dangerous when a political claims to care about climate change, because then people are under the false impression that it is being addressed. More coal power plants have shut down under Trump than in Obama's second term: https://www.eenews.net/stories/1063430425 https://www.eenews.net/stories/1063430425
bgorman 6y ago
California is run by the democratic political machine. Name one prominent California politician who does not come from either the San Francisco Bay Area or Los Angeles. Sure, there are democrats in the Central Valley, their opinion just doesn't matter.
- IvyMike 6y ago
  Nunes
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  > Name one prominent California politician who does not come from either the San Francisco Bay Area or Los Angeles. Would you accept Austria? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Schwarzenegger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Schwarzenegger
- edmundsauto 6y ago
  Duncan Hunter, from East County San Diego. Although he is no longer a CA Politician after being convicted of fraud recently.
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ISL 6y ago

The decision at hand in this election is whether Biden/Harris or Trump/Pence might do a better job. On climate and the environment, it is clear that Biden/Harris will do a much more-careful job.

NoOneNew 6y ago
> On climate and the environment, it is clear that Biden/Harris will do a much more-careful job. How is it clear? The point to this article is the issue of lip-service and zero action. Hate to say it, Trump leaving the Paris agreement did more for the environment than being in it. Businesses were pissed he left the agreement and started to implement the agreement's proposals... something those businesses were ALREADY supposed to be doing while in it. But they weren't. The biggest issue going on is the bullshit lip-service about climate action. Greta Thornberg was the prime poster child of lip-service just to get attention, but accomplishing nothing in the real world. Too much "environmentalism" the past 30+ years has been about "awareness". Don't pretend there's a single political candidate (in or running) right now who is willing to put in the hard work to actually made the necessary changes.
- therealdrag0 6y ago
  You think a few businesses volunteering to reduce emissions for the PR/warm-fuzzies is going to offset the rest of businesses who don’t volunteer?
  - NoOneNew 6y ago
    You missed the entire point. "How dare Trump leave the climate agreement! Even though we were supposed to already reduce our carbon emissions since the country was apart of the agreement, we're going to show Trump he's an asshole by reducing our carbon emissions since he left the agreement!" That's my problem. It's all lip-service. No one really cares about the environment. No more than buying a tshirt and a sticker. How many of them went out to go plant extra trees and ensured their viability by maintaining the surroundings and watering them properly after planting? Most of those massive tree planting raids end up only having 5-10% survive to a year after planting. Or went out and cleaned a beach or the ocean? Actual enforce filtering/dumping guidelines with massive penalties? It's just like the whole, "Oh, I care about the poor." Bullshit, when was the last time you volunteered at a soup kitchen? Lip-service, likes, thumbs up, hearts and whatever the hell else another platform thinks up, doesn't change shit. The whole idea that some politician is for "the good of us all" is such a load of crap, no matter the party or the country. It's just a way of them getting into power for themselves. And yea, it's all warm and fuzzy PR bullshit that sadly the general public now believes, "is the way" to fix the world. It all annoys the hell out of me when someone says, "This politician/billionaire cares." HA! I think the closest is that guy that went close to broke recently and even then I have my doubts.
    - bgorman 6y ago
      Agreed 100%. Trump is getting better results than Obama because he doesn't do lip service to the environment.
      - mrguyorama 6y ago
        He has literally rolled back emissions regulations to like 2000 levels. Explain to me how that's better for the environment?
        bgorman 6y ago
        There was no enforcement of these emission regulations before anyway. For example the biggest Natural Gas leak in US history (In California, in 2015, under the Obama administration) resulted in no penalties or criminal charges at either the federal or state level. Trump rolling back emissions regulations is making people/corporations/countries think they need to do more about the climate. Politicans from both political parties don't really care about climate change, but it is especially dangerous when a political claims to care about climate change, because then people are under the false impression that it is being addressed. More coal power plants have shut down under Trump than in Obama's second term: https://www.eenews.net/stories/1063430425 https://www.eenews.net/stories/1063430425

bgorman 6y ago

California is run by the democratic political machine. Name one prominent California politician who does not come from either the San Francisco Bay Area or Los Angeles. Sure, there are democrats in the Central Valley, their opinion just doesn't matter.

IvyMike 6y ago
Nunes
ceejayoz 6y ago
> Name one prominent California politician who does not come from either the San Francisco Bay Area or Los Angeles. Would you accept Austria? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Schwarzenegger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Schwarzenegger
edmundsauto 6y ago
Duncan Hunter, from East County San Diego. Although he is no longer a CA Politician after being convicted of fraud recently.
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