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Really? How? If you want to enable communication where both parties don't need to be online at the same time, and with easy setup of a trusted system, you will

by rocqua 6y ago

Really? How? If you want to enable communication where both parties don't need to be online at the same time, and with easy setup of a trusted system, you will need something very much like the signal protocol. That requires setting up a pretty complicated central service. Moreover, you are going to need to do quite some updating on the end-points of the e2e encrypted communications? Setting up this kind of operation, when illegal to do so, is hard. Moreover, it requires certain expertise that is not common among criminals. How many criminals are going to be able to run this correctly? How many of these systems will get infiltrated by police, with a 'security update' being pushed that surreptitiously breaks the encryption? Banning e2e encryption would do pretty good at moving almost everyone of off e2e encryption I think.

upofadown 6y ago
>If you want to enable communication where both parties don't need to be online at the same time, and with easy setup of a trusted system, you will need something very much like the signal protocol. PGP and S/MIME would like a word. Note that PGP is used routinely on the darknets for pasting orders into a web form. There are several detailed howtos available.
- rocqua 6y ago
  PGP and S/MIME are widely considered as insufficient. Certainly, they existed for a long time, and yet it did not seem to impede police investigations. Whilst I don't think the current complaints aren't exaggerated I do believe police when they say "Because of whatsapp, we are hitting cases where we would normally send a warrant, but now we can't". This wasn't the case before with PGP, and with decent reasons. (PGP is not very user friendly)
  - upofadown 6y ago
    >PGP and S/MIME are widely considered as insufficient. I am pretty sure that the darknet users would use something better if it was available. In what ways is it insufficient?

by rocqua 6y ago

upofadown 6y ago

>If you want to enable communication where both parties don't need to be online at the same time, and with easy setup of a trusted system, you will need something very much like the signal protocol. PGP and S/MIME would like a word. Note that PGP is used routinely on the darknets for pasting orders into a web form. There are several detailed howtos available.

rocqua 6y ago
PGP and S/MIME are widely considered as insufficient. Certainly, they existed for a long time, and yet it did not seem to impede police investigations. Whilst I don't think the current complaints aren't exaggerated I do believe police when they say "Because of whatsapp, we are hitting cases where we would normally send a warrant, but now we can't". This wasn't the case before with PGP, and with decent reasons. (PGP is not very user friendly)
- upofadown 6y ago
  >PGP and S/MIME are widely considered as insufficient. I am pretty sure that the darknet users would use something better if it was available. In what ways is it insufficient?