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I can't wait for the "If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear" refrains to be trotted out yet again. Inverted totalitarian klepto-plutocracy

I can't wait for the "If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear" refrains to be trotted out yet again. Inverted totalitarian klepto-plutocracy wins against any individual who doesn't take extra-ordinary measures when it builds a panopticon. "Let's see your 30 year search history and find a crime in there to persecute, I mean, prosecute you with. Or even a professional technical illegality would suffice. Searching all records." It won't be used so much to target the "baddies," but for unaccountable, omnipotent, NSA-style mass-surveillance.

noodlesoups 6y ago
The saying is twisted, because it already assumes privacy is a privilege, which it is not. It's a basic right, written to the constitution
- nerdkid93 6y ago
  It is? I did a quick search through the Constitution [0] and Bill of Rights [1] and found no mention of the word "privacy." [0] https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcri... [1] https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/bill-of-rights-transcript https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/bill-of-rights-transc...
  - noodlesoups 6y ago
    Suppose it depends on your country. Here's Finland's (10 §): https://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1999/19990731 https://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1999/19990731 Although the constitution was recently changed (same one) here aswell, so you may very well have a point: https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10436005 https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10436005 It took what, two months to rush the new clause through? It's like being the constitution has no weight on it at all.
  - tatersolid 6y ago
    > Amendment IV > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
ColanR 6y ago
> I can't wait for the "If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear" refrains to be trotted out yet again. We should make stickers that say that, and paste them on the cameras and drones we use to videotape the police.
- lioeters 6y ago
  A while ago I learned the term "souveillance", or "citizen undersight", as a strategy for the public to "watch the watchers". The public must surveille and report on those who wield power over them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance Apparently there's also a term "metaveillance", the "veillance of veillance". Surveillance (oversight), Sousveillance (undersight), and Metaveillance (seeing sight itself) - http://wearcam.org/kineveillance.pdf http://wearcam.org/kineveillance.pdf This paper is worth a look just for the cool images of the "Sequential Wave Imprinting Machine" that visualizes waves as a means of "sensing sensors".
pedro2 6y ago
I prefer the variant: "It’s not that I have something to hide. I have nothing I want you to see." It's clearer on what the problem is.

noodlesoups 6y ago

The saying is twisted, because it already assumes privacy is a privilege, which it is not. It's a basic right, written to the constitution

nerdkid93 6y ago
It is? I did a quick search through the Constitution [0] and Bill of Rights [1] and found no mention of the word "privacy." [0] https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcri... [1] https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/bill-of-rights-transcript https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/bill-of-rights-transc...
- noodlesoups 6y ago
  Suppose it depends on your country. Here's Finland's (10 §): https://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1999/19990731 https://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1999/19990731 Although the constitution was recently changed (same one) here aswell, so you may very well have a point: https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10436005 https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10436005 It took what, two months to rush the new clause through? It's like being the constitution has no weight on it at all.
- tatersolid 6y ago
  > Amendment IV > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

ColanR 6y ago

> I can't wait for the "If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear" refrains to be trotted out yet again. We should make stickers that say that, and paste them on the cameras and drones we use to videotape the police.

lioeters 6y ago
A while ago I learned the term "souveillance", or "citizen undersight", as a strategy for the public to "watch the watchers". The public must surveille and report on those who wield power over them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance Apparently there's also a term "metaveillance", the "veillance of veillance". Surveillance (oversight), Sousveillance (undersight), and Metaveillance (seeing sight itself) - http://wearcam.org/kineveillance.pdf http://wearcam.org/kineveillance.pdf This paper is worth a look just for the cool images of the "Sequential Wave Imprinting Machine" that visualizes waves as a means of "sensing sensors".

pedro2 6y ago

I prefer the variant: "It’s not that I have something to hide. I have nothing I want you to see." It's clearer on what the problem is.