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Perfect example of why I became a lawyer. You made yourself the victim of a lawyer that doesn't need to care about your satisfaction. Bar association self-reg

Perfect example of why I became a lawyer. You made yourself the victim of a lawyer that doesn't need to care about your satisfaction. Bar association self-regulation ensures that people like yourself continue to pour bad money after bad on lawyers. But, really, you have no one except yourself to blame. You got duped.

jbooth 16y ago
So, it cost him 3500. And you could have argued it yourself for free (plus 6 figures in law school tuition, plus foregone salary for those 3 years). I think the point stands that court is very expensive. Is that controversial to anybody?
- fleitz 16y ago
  Exactly, even if the documents weren't fucked up it would still have cost me $3500. The value in lawyers is smooth talking in court under pressure, you hire a lawyer so your decisions aren't based on emotion but rather objective advice as viewed through the law.
  - sunchild 16y ago
    If you choose to pay someone to speak on your behalf, you can't also complain about the price. I recommend learning to speak for yourself.
    - jbooth 16y ago
      Yeah, but you need to know civil procedure, probably highly specific to that area, to even be there with your paperwork in order. If you show up with an eloquently spoken story, a great logical case, and something that wasn't filed the right way, the judge will say "well that sucks but I'm here to enforce the law". So obviously the market will bear current prices, and you know as well as I do how billing works. Don't take it so personally.
      - sunchild 16y ago
        You're speaking from a position of ignorance, and that bothers me. This isn't an area where opinions matter. Either you learn the subject matter, or you don't. If you don't, you can only blame yourself for being at the mercy of professional advisors.
- sunchild 16y ago
  Yes, it is to me. You don't need a law degree. It doesn't take 3 years of your time to fight a C&D letter.
  - jbooth 16y ago
    You can fight the typical C&D letter by putting up a humorous f-you response and getting front-paged on reddit. I doubt that's what the OP was dealing with. Patent claims, for example, could be BS but you very much don't want to be the one footing the bill to test it.
    - sunchild 16y ago
      Now you're just molding the facts to your argument. The issue at hand in OP's case is a claim of copyright infringement – something anyone with half a clue can defend for themselves. And no, by "defend" I don't mean "posting a snotty response online".

jbooth 16y ago

So, it cost him 3500. And you could have argued it yourself for free (plus 6 figures in law school tuition, plus foregone salary for those 3 years). I think the point stands that court is very expensive. Is that controversial to anybody?

fleitz 16y ago
Exactly, even if the documents weren't fucked up it would still have cost me $3500. The value in lawyers is smooth talking in court under pressure, you hire a lawyer so your decisions aren't based on emotion but rather objective advice as viewed through the law.
- sunchild 16y ago
  If you choose to pay someone to speak on your behalf, you can't also complain about the price. I recommend learning to speak for yourself.
  - jbooth 16y ago
    Yeah, but you need to know civil procedure, probably highly specific to that area, to even be there with your paperwork in order. If you show up with an eloquently spoken story, a great logical case, and something that wasn't filed the right way, the judge will say "well that sucks but I'm here to enforce the law". So obviously the market will bear current prices, and you know as well as I do how billing works. Don't take it so personally.
    - sunchild 16y ago
      You're speaking from a position of ignorance, and that bothers me. This isn't an area where opinions matter. Either you learn the subject matter, or you don't. If you don't, you can only blame yourself for being at the mercy of professional advisors.
sunchild 16y ago
Yes, it is to me. You don't need a law degree. It doesn't take 3 years of your time to fight a C&D letter.
- jbooth 16y ago
  You can fight the typical C&D letter by putting up a humorous f-you response and getting front-paged on reddit. I doubt that's what the OP was dealing with. Patent claims, for example, could be BS but you very much don't want to be the one footing the bill to test it.
  - sunchild 16y ago
    Now you're just molding the facts to your argument. The issue at hand in OP's case is a claim of copyright infringement – something anyone with half a clue can defend for themselves. And no, by "defend" I don't mean "posting a snotty response online".