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This sounds suspiciously like incel ideology. Whatever cognitive path you're on that's led you to conclude this, I advise you to swiftly veer away from it. Bl

This sounds suspiciously like incel ideology. Whatever cognitive path you're on that's led you to conclude this, I advise you to swiftly veer away from it. Blaming all the women isn't going to help with anything. People will just think, oh there's that weird sexist guy ranting on again. That's not going to get you anywhere useful.

MorningInfidel 6y ago
If his point is so easy to refute logically, you would have done so. Your entire comment is an ad hominem.
- crumbshot 6y ago
  Well exactly, he didn't have a logical point to make. Just an unfounded assumption that women are ruining things for everyone.
  - MorningInfidel 6y ago
    Where did 'ruining things for everyone' come from? In the same vein, I could interpret the post as 'women drive more economic growth than men'.
    - crumbshot 6y ago
      It came from their comment, specifically: > a society in which one is treated badly when one doesn't strive to keep up with the Joneses > the never-ending hamster wheel situation > perhaps humanity wouldn't be so rapacious of the earth
- licebmi__at__ 6y ago
  Because the point is not really a logical statement, but an appeal to emotion, expecting a logical refutation to a non logical statement is absurd and TBH, kinda ignorant of all the kinds of valid discussion humans have all the time. Do you really think is reasonable to demand a change of behavior in women instead of maybe demanding the same from men? Do you really think men with a couple are no longer part of the competition drivel?
  - MorningInfidel 6y ago
    I must be confused. I didn't read his controversial opinion as a demand, I read it as an observation. It's as unreasonable to expect women to counter their nature as it would be to tell men to stop preferring youth and beauty.
    - licebmi__at__ 6y ago
      > If women chose something different, perhaps humanity wouldn't be so rapacious of the earth. You know, I care a little about the framing. It can be that women could choose something different, or maybe men can also choose to not be part of the rat race, maybe it can be both, or maybe as you mentioned, it’s an impossible scenario. I don’t know with what I’ve read about what we know (and mostly don’t know about human mind) and with humanity’s history I choose to be careful with what it’s human nature and what could change. But anyway the statement is as it is, and assigns responsibility mostly to women, which can be an assumption that women have more agency than men, or just blaming the opposite sex; as common in incel ideology. Not really reasonable either way IMO.
zozbot234 6y ago
It's just as common to blame "all the men" for women's never-ending insecurity about their own attractiveness. I'm not sure what incel ideology has to do with either.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
  Even if some women blame "all the men" for their problems, that doesn't mean that blaming all women for something in turn is any more justifiable.
growlist 6y ago
You're completely mistaking me. Of course it's a symbiotic relationship. But if men choose not to be competitive, those men will just exclude themselves from procreation. The power is in women's hands to change it by being less avaricious. For example plenty of women have been conned by De Beers into thinking they need a diamond engagement ring worth x times monthly salary, else the prospective spouse isn't worth it. And plenty of them couldn't care less about the horrible circumstances behind their diamond. Let's not put either sex on a pedestal here. Oh and thanks for your concern, but I'm doing just fine with my current cognitive path thanks. Mortgage, marriage, kids etc. all in hand.

MorningInfidel 6y ago

If his point is so easy to refute logically, you would have done so. Your entire comment is an ad hominem.

crumbshot 6y ago
Well exactly, he didn't have a logical point to make. Just an unfounded assumption that women are ruining things for everyone.
- MorningInfidel 6y ago
  Where did 'ruining things for everyone' come from? In the same vein, I could interpret the post as 'women drive more economic growth than men'.
  - crumbshot 6y ago
    It came from their comment, specifically: > a society in which one is treated badly when one doesn't strive to keep up with the Joneses > the never-ending hamster wheel situation > perhaps humanity wouldn't be so rapacious of the earth
licebmi__at__ 6y ago
Because the point is not really a logical statement, but an appeal to emotion, expecting a logical refutation to a non logical statement is absurd and TBH, kinda ignorant of all the kinds of valid discussion humans have all the time. Do you really think is reasonable to demand a change of behavior in women instead of maybe demanding the same from men? Do you really think men with a couple are no longer part of the competition drivel?
- MorningInfidel 6y ago
  I must be confused. I didn't read his controversial opinion as a demand, I read it as an observation. It's as unreasonable to expect women to counter their nature as it would be to tell men to stop preferring youth and beauty.
  - licebmi__at__ 6y ago
    > If women chose something different, perhaps humanity wouldn't be so rapacious of the earth. You know, I care a little about the framing. It can be that women could choose something different, or maybe men can also choose to not be part of the rat race, maybe it can be both, or maybe as you mentioned, it’s an impossible scenario. I don’t know with what I’ve read about what we know (and mostly don’t know about human mind) and with humanity’s history I choose to be careful with what it’s human nature and what could change. But anyway the statement is as it is, and assigns responsibility mostly to women, which can be an assumption that women have more agency than men, or just blaming the opposite sex; as common in incel ideology. Not really reasonable either way IMO.

zozbot234 6y ago

It's just as common to blame "all the men" for women's never-ending insecurity about their own attractiveness. I'm not sure what incel ideology has to do with either.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
Even if some women blame "all the men" for their problems, that doesn't mean that blaming all women for something in turn is any more justifiable.

growlist 6y ago

You're completely mistaking me. Of course it's a symbiotic relationship. But if men choose not to be competitive, those men will just exclude themselves from procreation. The power is in women's hands to change it by being less avaricious. For example plenty of women have been conned by De Beers into thinking they need a diamond engagement ring worth x times monthly salary, else the prospective spouse isn't worth it. And plenty of them couldn't care less about the horrible circumstances behind their diamond. Let's not put either sex on a pedestal here. Oh and thanks for your concern, but I'm doing just fine with my current cognitive path thanks. Mortgage, marriage, kids etc. all in hand.