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> I have some ideas about how this could be achieved Could you expand on this?

by tobr 6y ago

jacquesm 6y ago
I did so in an earlier thread about Mozilla. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24121689 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24121689
- kinleyd 6y ago
  Those ideas look solid. It will require the board to make some critical decisions and there has to be a person for the moment. Do we have the analog to Steve Jobs in this situation - Brendan Eich?
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    JWZ? That would be a fun turn-around, I think the bar/restaurant business is maybe not such a great spot to be in and it would be a nice return for him. For sure I'd trust him to do the right thing from a tech perspective.
    - srtjstjsj 6y ago
      JWZ quit tech years ago because he hates other programmers. He's not going back to Mozilla
- tobr 6y ago
  Those are good points, and it’s frustrating that they don’t seem to be in Mozilla’s focus, but do you really believe this could lead to an Apple-style comeback?
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    Well, I'd certainly hope so or I see myself as a Chrome user in a few years time and that's not the best possible future. I already have to for browser/midi stuff.
- qppo 6y ago
  I don't think your ideas there result in more market share or a sustainable business model to support Firefox. Because fundamentally you're trying to shove a new value (privacy) down the throats of consumers who don't share it, they want functionality first. I think the goal should be to make Firefox the sane default firstly for business and secondly for consumers. Business users care about privacy and security, yet Chrome and IE are the standard platforms for business webapps. If you want an example of how misaligned those values are from reality, I need to use Chrome to talk to my doctor. Safari and Firefox aren't supported. That's entirely because Firefox doesn't do enough to make it the default platform for developers and by focusing on the wrong users.

> I have some ideas about how this could be achieved Could you expand on this?

by tobr 6y ago

> I have some ideas about how this could be achieved Could you expand on this?

I did so in an earlier thread about Mozilla. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24121689 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24121689

kinleyd 6y ago
Those ideas look solid. It will require the board to make some critical decisions and there has to be a person for the moment. Do we have the analog to Steve Jobs in this situation - Brendan Eich?
- jacquesm 6y ago
  JWZ? That would be a fun turn-around, I think the bar/restaurant business is maybe not such a great spot to be in and it would be a nice return for him. For sure I'd trust him to do the right thing from a tech perspective.
  - srtjstjsj 6y ago
    JWZ quit tech years ago because he hates other programmers. He's not going back to Mozilla
tobr 6y ago
Those are good points, and it’s frustrating that they don’t seem to be in Mozilla’s focus, but do you really believe this could lead to an Apple-style comeback?
- jacquesm 6y ago
  Well, I'd certainly hope so or I see myself as a Chrome user in a few years time and that's not the best possible future. I already have to for browser/midi stuff.
qppo 6y ago
I don't think your ideas there result in more market share or a sustainable business model to support Firefox. Because fundamentally you're trying to shove a new value (privacy) down the throats of consumers who don't share it, they want functionality first. I think the goal should be to make Firefox the sane default firstly for business and secondly for consumers. Business users care about privacy and security, yet Chrome and IE are the standard platforms for business webapps. If you want an example of how misaligned those values are from reality, I need to use Chrome to talk to my doctor. Safari and Firefox aren't supported. That's entirely because Firefox doesn't do enough to make it the default platform for developers and by focusing on the wrong users.