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At first I thought this was a news article, but looking into the author's writing this looks more like political ideology and propaganda wrapped in a pretense o

At first I thought this was a news article, but looking into the author's writing this looks more like political ideology and propaganda wrapped in a pretense of pointing out the opposing ideology. Banning ideas and research as "poison" and "dangerous" and even prohibiting public debate is about the most un-American position I can imagine. Was I the only one taught in public school that McCarthyism was bad and stain on the country? McCarthyism is still defined as the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence.

eesmith 6y ago
"Christopher F. Rufo is the director of the Discovery Institute’s Center on Wealth & Poverty". The Discovery Institute advocates the pseudoscientific concept of intelligent design. Which is about as well supported, scientifically speaking, as phrenology.
- Traster 6y ago
  Which is kind of funny, because phrenology is literally: > or (9) meritocracy or traits such as a hard work ethic are racist or sexist, or were created by a particular race to oppress another race.
choko 6y ago
It's just a moratorium on taxpayer funding, not a ban. As a taxpayer, I'm ok with the government not funding racist ideology.
- flipgimble 6y ago
  Have you read the executive order or the article? From the article: "agencies are directed to initiate adverse action proceedings against managers who continue to hold CRT trainings" This does not sound like a dispassionate funding policy change, more like an ideological purge of a set of ideas on which there is an ongoing debate across the country.
  - choko 6y ago
    The ideas in question are racist and have no place in government. CRT isn't simply about learning of the discrimination and suffering of certain groups, it's also about retribution and placing blame on people who literally had no part in the oppression in question, due to their race. Also, yes I read the EO. Did you?
    - flipgimble 6y ago
      "ideas in question are racist" is presented without evidence or a convincing explanation. I agree that racism has no place in government, so this quote, among many, from the president is very troubling: "You have good genes, you know that, right? You have good genes. A lot of it is about the genes, isn't it, don't you believe? The racehorse theory. You think we're so different? You have good genes in Minnesota." Here is the video: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1307124621389463553?s=20 https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1307124621389463553?s=20
      - choko 6y ago
        Any ideology that places blame and responsibility on an entire group based on their race is racist. I believe in individual responsibly, not group responsibility and original sin - which according to CRT, is a form of white supremacy. I will not further address the comments by the president because they are hamfisted, poorly articulated, and off topic. You are obviously trying to shift this debate to be about the current administration rather than CRT.
      - wavepruner 6y ago
        Race in this context refers to the action of racing, not the races of humans, or even horses. The only way this argument would make sense as a critique of Trump's supposed racism would be if you believed some races do _not_ have good genes. I doubt you believe this. I certainly don't.
        true_religion 6y ago
        So in the broadest sense, all ethnicities have good genes, and all people probably have rich and vibrant cultures that are a credit to humanity. However, if someone in the US started an all white club to blandly talk about how great Caucasian genetics and culture is, then I would be very suspicious of them. They wouldn't even need white robes and pointy traditionalist wizard hats (symbolizing their respect for pre-chrisitian religions I am sure)...
DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
@dang could we please change the link to the actual EO: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-combating-race-sex-stereotyping/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-or... ? ... it seems the author of this post is a mouth-piece for some strange theories and it makes for a poor basis of discussion on what is otherwise an important topic. I guess a lot of people were mistaken by retweeting him. My apologies for not digging for the original source.
- dang 6y ago
  Ok, changed from https://christopherrufo.com/president-signs-executive-order-abolishing-critical-race-theory/ https://christopherrufo.com/president-signs-executive-order-....

eesmith 6y ago

"Christopher F. Rufo is the director of the Discovery Institute’s Center on Wealth & Poverty". The Discovery Institute advocates the pseudoscientific concept of intelligent design. Which is about as well supported, scientifically speaking, as phrenology.

Traster 6y ago
Which is kind of funny, because phrenology is literally: > or (9) meritocracy or traits such as a hard work ethic are racist or sexist, or were created by a particular race to oppress another race.

choko 6y ago

It's just a moratorium on taxpayer funding, not a ban. As a taxpayer, I'm ok with the government not funding racist ideology.

flipgimble 6y ago
Have you read the executive order or the article? From the article: "agencies are directed to initiate adverse action proceedings against managers who continue to hold CRT trainings" This does not sound like a dispassionate funding policy change, more like an ideological purge of a set of ideas on which there is an ongoing debate across the country.
- choko 6y ago
  The ideas in question are racist and have no place in government. CRT isn't simply about learning of the discrimination and suffering of certain groups, it's also about retribution and placing blame on people who literally had no part in the oppression in question, due to their race. Also, yes I read the EO. Did you?
  - flipgimble 6y ago
    "ideas in question are racist" is presented without evidence or a convincing explanation. I agree that racism has no place in government, so this quote, among many, from the president is very troubling: "You have good genes, you know that, right? You have good genes. A lot of it is about the genes, isn't it, don't you believe? The racehorse theory. You think we're so different? You have good genes in Minnesota." Here is the video: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1307124621389463553?s=20 https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1307124621389463553?s=20
    - choko 6y ago
      Any ideology that places blame and responsibility on an entire group based on their race is racist. I believe in individual responsibly, not group responsibility and original sin - which according to CRT, is a form of white supremacy. I will not further address the comments by the president because they are hamfisted, poorly articulated, and off topic. You are obviously trying to shift this debate to be about the current administration rather than CRT.
    - wavepruner 6y ago
      Race in this context refers to the action of racing, not the races of humans, or even horses. The only way this argument would make sense as a critique of Trump's supposed racism would be if you believed some races do _not_ have good genes. I doubt you believe this. I certainly don't.
      - true_religion 6y ago
        So in the broadest sense, all ethnicities have good genes, and all people probably have rich and vibrant cultures that are a credit to humanity. However, if someone in the US started an all white club to blandly talk about how great Caucasian genetics and culture is, then I would be very suspicious of them. They wouldn't even need white robes and pointy traditionalist wizard hats (symbolizing their respect for pre-chrisitian religions I am sure)...

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago

@dang could we please change the link to the actual EO: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-combating-race-sex-stereotyping/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-or... ? ... it seems the author of this post is a mouth-piece for some strange theories and it makes for a poor basis of discussion on what is otherwise an important topic. I guess a lot of people were mistaken by retweeting him. My apologies for not digging for the original source.

dang 6y ago
Ok, changed from https://christopherrufo.com/president-signs-executive-order-abolishing-critical-race-theory/ https://christopherrufo.com/president-signs-executive-order-....