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"The author ignores that Rand would have quite limited access to information on the whole story, for a start." She may not have had the whole story, but how mu
by gnosis 16y ago
"The author ignores that Rand would have quite limited access to information on the whole story, for a start."
She may not have had the whole story, but how much of the story did she need?
Hickman's entire claim to fame was the cold blooded murder of a little girl. What nuances could Rand have been missing that could have mislead her on that point?
Here's what the author of the original article had to say about Rand's knowledge of the case:
The gory details of Hickman's crime were indeed reported in the newspapers
of the day. (They didn't call 'em the Roaring Twenties for nothin'.) Nearly
all the info I presented was taken from contemporaneous newspaper accounts.
Rand followed the case closely enough to know the day-by-day events of the
trial, so she surely knew what Hickman had done. She just didn't care. She
mentions not one word about Hickman's 12-year-old victim in all the hundreds
of words she penned about the case.
If you've read Rand's journals, you know that she did present her ethical
positions in detail, even when writing for herself.
Objectivists typically bend themselves into pretzel-like shapes to avoid
acknowledging Rand's obvious psychological problems. The facts are, Rand
knew exactly what Hickman had done and admired him anyway. Make of this what
you will.
(The above quote is from one of the comments to this article:
http://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2005/06/ad_hominem_ad_n.html http://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/20... )
"Rand was fascinated by what she glimpsed in the news story (namely the 'I am like the state; what's good for me is right' quote, and the mob-mentality of the public reaction), because it gave her some ideas for a work of fiction, regardless of the facts of this particular case."
Even if that was all that fascinated her about Hickman (doubtful), it's quite interesting what conclusions she drew from his words: not that that kind of attitude could lead egomaniacs like Hickman to senseless murder but rather that they are ideals to be emulated and praised.
"But this is where Michael Prescott has 'done the dirty' - the sentence I italicized was, if you read the whole passage from the diary, not referring specifically to this murder case"
Are you kidding me? The section she wrote it in is titled "The Hickman Case", and it's clear she is talking about that case in particular from beginning to end. The entire section reinforces what she said in that quote. She said it and meant it about the Hickman case. There's no doubt about that.
Read for yourself:
http://books.google.com/books?id=2Gkx0STfl5kC http://books.google.com/books?id=2Gkx0STfl5kC
Just search for the phrase "Hickman Case" (including the quotes).
- maxharris 16y agoTycho's point still stands. From what I can tell, you're just trolling. Get a new hobby!
- Tycho 16y agoWe still do not know what information Rand had when she wrote what. The whole point is something made an impression on her and then she explored that emotional response to come up with ideas for a story. If you want to judge her on her emotional response, you at least need to be sure what she was responding to: for instance, I might have an emotional response to Saddam Hussein grandstanding in the crimes against humanity trial if I saw that on television, one quite different if the tv spot had simply featured images of his chemical attacks or torture victims. "Even if that was all that fascinated her about Hickman (doubtful), it's quite interesting what conclusions she drew from his words: not that that kind of attitude could lead egomaniacs like Hickman to senseless murder but rather that they are ideals to be emulated and praised." It's less interesting when you consider that other parts of her philosophy include a total rejection of violence. "Are you kidding me? The section she wrote it in is titled "The Hickman Case", and it's clear she is talking about that case in particular from beginning to end. The entire section reinforces what she said in that quote. She said it and meant it about the Hickman case. There's no doubt about that." Maybe you misunderstood what I wrote... but I strongly disagree. Here's the whole paragraph: The first thing that impresses me about the case ^ so she starts off addressing a specific event is the ferocious rage of the whole society against one man. ^ and then picks out a more general phenomenon present in this case No matter what the man did, there is always something loathsome in the "virtuous" indignation and mass-hatred of the "majority." One always feels the stuffy, bloodthirsty emotion of a mob in any great public feeling of a large number of humans. It is repulsive to see all those beings with worse sins and crimes in their own lives, virtuously condemning a criminal, proud and secure in their number, yelling furiously in defense of society. ^ And then describes the general phenomenon as she has observed from other instances. Then she goes back to talking about Hickman. Prescott omitted the middle sentence of the last section above to make it sound worse, which I think is very dishonest
- gnosis 16y ago