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apple literally invented pwa's

depressedpanda 6y ago
So? What's your point? Safari's browser engine is the only one allowed on iOS, which makes PWAs effectively crippled for all iphone users.
- trasz 6y ago
  How so?
  - nvrspyx 6y ago
    > ...make them hard to install, slow, buggy, and not having basic platform features
    - trasz 6y ago
      Are you saying PWAs cannot work correctly under WebKit?
      - londons_explore 6y ago
        PWA's do work, but they are hard to install (not available in the appstore, the user has to go through a non-obvious sequence of steps they won't discover unless they Google it). They are slow (because safari refuses to implement caching of compiled JavaScript or webassembly). They can't store persistent data, so the user experience is terrible (yay - who wants a notekeeping app that deletes all your notes every 30 days?). The data doesn't sync to iCloud. It doesn't integrate with the rest of the OS (no way to share a picture to a PWA for example). The Safari browser engine they must run in is ~3 years behind desktop and Android browsers with supporting web standards. There is no way to do background stuff like playing music, using the GPS for directions, etc.
    - samoa42 6y ago
      correct me but those features are denied by apple and mozilla for very good reasons (privacy and security) besides beeing anything but 'basic' (midi anyone?)
- samoa42 6y ago
  point is that apple wanted the 'simple' solution from the begining but google gave us the 'native app' store and folks were happy. imo pwa's on webkit are only crippled in regards to the google extensions that make no sense for most usecases but ad-tracking.
londons_explore 6y ago
If you're scared of something, sometimes it's best to invent it and then not invest in it than to let someone else invent it and do a decent job of it. Classic example: Oil companies "investing" in clean tech in the 90's, sucking up government grants and public attention and never really getting anywhere probably slowed down the switch to renewables by 10+ years.

So? What's your point? Safari's browser engine is the only one allowed on iOS, which makes PWAs effectively crippled for all iphone users.

trasz 6y ago
How so?
- nvrspyx 6y ago
  > ...make them hard to install, slow, buggy, and not having basic platform features
  - trasz 6y ago
    Are you saying PWAs cannot work correctly under WebKit?
    - londons_explore 6y ago
      PWA's do work, but they are hard to install (not available in the appstore, the user has to go through a non-obvious sequence of steps they won't discover unless they Google it). They are slow (because safari refuses to implement caching of compiled JavaScript or webassembly). They can't store persistent data, so the user experience is terrible (yay - who wants a notekeeping app that deletes all your notes every 30 days?). The data doesn't sync to iCloud. It doesn't integrate with the rest of the OS (no way to share a picture to a PWA for example). The Safari browser engine they must run in is ~3 years behind desktop and Android browsers with supporting web standards. There is no way to do background stuff like playing music, using the GPS for directions, etc.
  - samoa42 6y ago
    correct me but those features are denied by apple and mozilla for very good reasons (privacy and security) besides beeing anything but 'basic' (midi anyone?)
samoa42 6y ago
point is that apple wanted the 'simple' solution from the begining but google gave us the 'native app' store and folks were happy. imo pwa's on webkit are only crippled in regards to the google extensions that make no sense for most usecases but ad-tracking.

londons_explore 6y ago

If you're scared of something, sometimes it's best to invent it and then not invest in it than to let someone else invent it and do a decent job of it. Classic example: Oil companies "investing" in clean tech in the 90's, sucking up government grants and public attention and never really getting anywhere probably slowed down the switch to renewables by 10+ years.