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Like it’s that simple. I want to see you “clear house and actually lead” when a huge internet fucking hate mob is after you.

jacquesm 6y ago
CEOs tend to have a pretty thick skin. If you think it is a fun job you should try it for a while. And it didn't stop Eich from starting up another company. Besides that, he wasn't forced out, that part of the narrative is simply false. CEOs have been - rightfully, in many cases - accused of far worse than this and have sailed through just fine. That said, if my employees en-masse demanded that I resigned I might have done so as well. After all, the internet hate mob is easy to ignore but the employees you work with every day are not.
- read_if_gay_ 6y ago
  The internet hate mob is not just mean tweets though. Some people are crazy enough to go after your family, try to get them fired, stuff like that. Basically, it’s resign “voluntarily” or we will continue to terrorize you and your family.
- BrendanEich 6y ago
  No one working for me demanded I resigned when I was at Mozilla. Six people working for the Mozilla Foundation, under separate management up to a separate board with only the board chair in common between the Corporation where I worked and the Foundation, did tweet demands.
CamperBob2 6y ago
Well, to be fair, he contributed $1000 to a huge real-life fucking hate mob. Ramble on about 'SJWs' or 'cancel culture' or whatever if you like, but the fact is that social actions have social consequences, and this is an example.
- read_if_gay_ 6y ago
  But this kind of consequence is just way over the line. We have a legal system where everyone sat down and agreed on very clearly defined appropriate consequences, while cancel culture is just emotionally driven people taking matters into their own hands, not really different from medieval witch hunts.
  - Qwertious 6y ago
    You do have a legal system, but nobody in this situation did anything illegal. Clearly what "everyone sat down and agreed on" is insufficient, when both sides are saying that "thing X the other party did was legal but inappropriate".
    - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
      The legal system is absolutely insufficient and there’s no way it can ever not be, but the point is only one party is resorting to mob justice.
      - Talanes 6y ago
        Ballot initiatives are just legalized mob justice, so no.
        read_if_gay_ 6y ago
        Ballot initiatives aren’t commonly getting random people fired for political wrongthink, so yes.
        CamperBob2 6y ago
        But they are (attempting to) use ballot initiatives to deny civil rights to certain people, which if anything is worse than getting people fired. Bottom line: if you contributed to Proposition 8, you did a bad thing, and it needs to hurt. Without a feedback mechanism of some sort, the original 'cancel culture' -- the one that brought us the Dark Ages -- will prevail. As a straight white cis-male, I have no dog in the fight. But I know right from wrong, and Proposition 8 was wrong.
austhrow743 6y ago
I didn't sign up to fight a huge internet fucking hate mob. Dudes an out and proud homophobe and accepted a position of public interest in California. That was always going to be a showdown between the only the tech matters and social justice types. There's no way he didn't know it and there's no way the board members didn't know it. A board member resigned about it before he took the position. He signed up for and was sent out of the gate as a champion for team tech only and promptly fled the battlefield. Team tech only refuses to accept their defeat.

jacquesm 6y ago

CEOs tend to have a pretty thick skin. If you think it is a fun job you should try it for a while. And it didn't stop Eich from starting up another company. Besides that, he wasn't forced out, that part of the narrative is simply false. CEOs have been - rightfully, in many cases - accused of far worse than this and have sailed through just fine. That said, if my employees en-masse demanded that I resigned I might have done so as well. After all, the internet hate mob is easy to ignore but the employees you work with every day are not.

read_if_gay_ 6y ago
The internet hate mob is not just mean tweets though. Some people are crazy enough to go after your family, try to get them fired, stuff like that. Basically, it’s resign “voluntarily” or we will continue to terrorize you and your family.
BrendanEich 6y ago
No one working for me demanded I resigned when I was at Mozilla. Six people working for the Mozilla Foundation, under separate management up to a separate board with only the board chair in common between the Corporation where I worked and the Foundation, did tweet demands.

CamperBob2 6y ago

Well, to be fair, he contributed $1000 to a huge real-life fucking hate mob. Ramble on about 'SJWs' or 'cancel culture' or whatever if you like, but the fact is that social actions have social consequences, and this is an example.

read_if_gay_ 6y ago
But this kind of consequence is just way over the line. We have a legal system where everyone sat down and agreed on very clearly defined appropriate consequences, while cancel culture is just emotionally driven people taking matters into their own hands, not really different from medieval witch hunts.
- Qwertious 6y ago
  You do have a legal system, but nobody in this situation did anything illegal. Clearly what "everyone sat down and agreed on" is insufficient, when both sides are saying that "thing X the other party did was legal but inappropriate".
  - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
    The legal system is absolutely insufficient and there’s no way it can ever not be, but the point is only one party is resorting to mob justice.
    - Talanes 6y ago
      Ballot initiatives are just legalized mob justice, so no.
      - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
        Ballot initiatives aren’t commonly getting random people fired for political wrongthink, so yes.
        CamperBob2 6y ago
        But they are (attempting to) use ballot initiatives to deny civil rights to certain people, which if anything is worse than getting people fired. Bottom line: if you contributed to Proposition 8, you did a bad thing, and it needs to hurt. Without a feedback mechanism of some sort, the original 'cancel culture' -- the one that brought us the Dark Ages -- will prevail. As a straight white cis-male, I have no dog in the fight. But I know right from wrong, and Proposition 8 was wrong.

austhrow743 6y ago

I didn't sign up to fight a huge internet fucking hate mob. Dudes an out and proud homophobe and accepted a position of public interest in California. That was always going to be a showdown between the only the tech matters and social justice types. There's no way he didn't know it and there's no way the board members didn't know it. A board member resigned about it before he took the position. He signed up for and was sent out of the gate as a champion for team tech only and promptly fled the battlefield. Team tech only refuses to accept their defeat.