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Completely unrelated to the article itself, but I find the umlauts in the name super fascinating. I was previously not aware that double acute was a thing that

Completely unrelated to the article itself, but I find the umlauts in the name super fascinating. I was previously not aware that double acute was a thing that was used and that it's distinct from using diaeresis. In short, I didn't know ő and ö are different characters that separately exist and it's really neat.

endanke 6y ago
Fun fact: it only exists in Hungarian and it's even called as "hungarumlaut" in typography. (It's kind of pronounced as longer ö.) Usually it's missing from custom fonts unfortunately, which can make some Hungarian websites ugly.
stabbles 6y ago
Paul Erdős is a well-known name containing an ő.
weinzierl 6y ago
Actually ö, with two little round dots, (and ä, ü and their uppercase counterparts for that matter) can both be umlaut (über) and diaeresis (argüer) depending on context. The difference is important because some collations should distinguish between the two cases and put them in different places when sorting. Another difference is that in traditional fine typography sometimes different sorts were used for the two cases. The umlaut should have the dots closer to the letter body than the diaeresis. Yannis Haralambous writes about these topics in his O'Reilly book Fonts & Encodings, especially about the fact that Unicode can't really express this nuances and if I remember correctly that some software uses the order of combining diacritical marks to encode the difference.
- petters 6y ago
  That's interesting! Never thought that the meaning of the two dots should affect the sort order and that it is not possible to represent with Unicode. If there are previous examples of the two rendered differently, I think that makes a pretty good case for extending Unicode.
- mc32 6y ago
  In addition in the case of the U with diaeresis in some languages it means the vowel is sounded and not silent as opposed to indicating independent syllable. An O with diaeresis in English means it’s a separate vowel in a double vowel orthography where traditionally the two vowels represent one sound (chicken coop vs chicken farm coöp.)
serial_dev 6y ago
There's also "ű". In Hungarian, the text "árvíztűrő tükörfúrógép" is used to test all special characters.
- rob74 6y ago
  ...and is also a nice way to showcase Hungarian's ability to concatenate words, similar to German (it means "flood-proof mirror drilling machine").
rob74 6y ago
If anyone's interested, the double acute means that the vowel is longer than a regular ö or ü (there's no ä in Hungarian BTW). Same for á é í ó ú, with the added complication that a and e are pronounced differently. ...and kudos to salon for getting Rubik's name right!

endanke 6y ago

Fun fact: it only exists in Hungarian and it's even called as "hungarumlaut" in typography. (It's kind of pronounced as longer ö.) Usually it's missing from custom fonts unfortunately, which can make some Hungarian websites ugly.

stabbles 6y ago

Paul Erdős is a well-known name containing an ő.

weinzierl 6y ago

Actually ö, with two little round dots, (and ä, ü and their uppercase counterparts for that matter) can both be umlaut (über) and diaeresis (argüer) depending on context. The difference is important because some collations should distinguish between the two cases and put them in different places when sorting. Another difference is that in traditional fine typography sometimes different sorts were used for the two cases. The umlaut should have the dots closer to the letter body than the diaeresis. Yannis Haralambous writes about these topics in his O'Reilly book Fonts & Encodings, especially about the fact that Unicode can't really express this nuances and if I remember correctly that some software uses the order of combining diacritical marks to encode the difference.

petters 6y ago
That's interesting! Never thought that the meaning of the two dots should affect the sort order and that it is not possible to represent with Unicode. If there are previous examples of the two rendered differently, I think that makes a pretty good case for extending Unicode.
mc32 6y ago
In addition in the case of the U with diaeresis in some languages it means the vowel is sounded and not silent as opposed to indicating independent syllable. An O with diaeresis in English means it’s a separate vowel in a double vowel orthography where traditionally the two vowels represent one sound (chicken coop vs chicken farm coöp.)

serial_dev 6y ago

There's also "ű". In Hungarian, the text "árvíztűrő tükörfúrógép" is used to test all special characters.

rob74 6y ago
...and is also a nice way to showcase Hungarian's ability to concatenate words, similar to German (it means "flood-proof mirror drilling machine").

rob74 6y ago

If anyone's interested, the double acute means that the vowel is longer than a regular ö or ü (there's no ä in Hungarian BTW). Same for á é í ó ú, with the added complication that a and e are pronounced differently. ...and kudos to salon for getting Rubik's name right!